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Good. This stop and interrogate shit shouldn't be legal. Now they can pull up days of driving history and locations you have been in and everything else on demand and try and bullshit the naive into convictions that they profit off of. It is like pulling up to the border between East and West Germany except they can do it any place any time for practically any reason, as evident by the fact ive multiple times been pulled over for BS reasons myself just so they can run all my shit and try and ask leading questions into violations and crimes.

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>This stop and interrogate shit shouldn't be legal.

I've started to call nonsense like this 'illegal but allowed by courts'

We can all read the constitution and our laws. We've been told the legal system tells us what they mean, but increasingly, the explanations we are provided and the decisions that are made seem at odds with the basic. Things like parallel construction, the good faith exception, and pretextual stops makes a mockery of people's rights and the ability of the justice system to even evaluate police conduct.

Theres a spectrum in here between soverign citizens and serious citizen pushback on legal overreach...but its a spectrum increasingly worth reflecting on. Obviously this is US specific.

There's no punishment for abusing the system like this though. They'll keep trying again and again, just like lawmakers themselves.

"Ah, the law we came up with us unconstitutional and didn't stand up to scrutiny? We'll get em next time!"

Eventually that "next time" does pass and the people doing it will never suffer consewuences for it despite undermining the very institution of representative democracy.

Terry v. Ohio is a concrete stop-and-frisk precedent. Driving carries more burden and less rights in the same scenario.

> This stop and interrogate shit shouldn't be legal.

fwiw she didn't have to answer any questions, he would have had to work a lot harder to establish fake probable cause if she hadn't talked...

Yeah but it shouldn't have mattered, cops shouldn't be using random people's naivety as a weapon to extort them for crimes. How many other hundreds or thousands of people were scared and coerced in an attempt to get them to lick boot and potentially admit to crimes?

Many. This is USA SOP for a long time.

Of course, just saying

It’s a sad state of affairs when the best advice is “never talk to the police” so they can’t frame you for something.

Obligatory: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE

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