Who are the fucking ghouls that want to see someone executed live ? 20% of the population ? Jesus fucking tap-dancing christ almighty.
Even if, I don't see how seeing one of the perpetrators getting killed many years later would give relief.
I also believe eternal prison is a bigger punishment than execution.
He spent his life in prison, now he would be executed live, everyone would see how he's going to die, and for him at least, it's very disrespecting.
That said…
If you’re going to do this, it absolutely should be a public event. If This is what a society does, the society have to own that imho. Anyone supporting it should be required to watch one first.
How can it be ok to do it but only secretly in a dark corner and not let anyone see?
- Executing people in a way that makes us not have to think about it as a society, or only think about it in passing
- Executing people in our faces, so we have to think about it
Personally I find the first option gross. "Out of sight, out of mind"--you know what I mean?
Perhaps we could then rally behind getting rid of death penalty. Or at the very least, ensure we aren’t botching every other one.
It serves no purpose in preventing future crimes. First, because you've already caught the criminal, the proposed alternate sentence of life imprisonment without chance for parole already handles preventing that individual from committing further offenses. And second, it's been proven repeatedly that ratcheting up punishment as some sort of deterrent doesn't work because most people committing crimes either believe they're going to get away with it or aren't in a frame of mind to care about any penalties (e.g., crimes of passion).
It also fails to be an efficient way of dealing with a caught criminal. The combination of incarceration time, resources spent on appeals, and the cost of the actual execution methods makes death row inmates more expensive than lifers. We actually pay more to put people to death than we would jailing them for the rest of their lives.
Instead, people fight so hard to keep capital punishment around because it scratches the itch for vengeance.
Just FYI, Philip is a "he" name.
Who proved that? Have you lived in a high trust society that punishes crimes, or do you not think they exist?
Your point seems to be that people don't believe they will be punished. Everywhere I've been people did know they would be punished, severely. Organized theft in Singapore if you're a male younger than 50 could get you caned. Perhaps you're arguing that public punishment would help raise their awareness?
I think that there is likely _enough_ visibility in the case of the classic execution, which is only done after the fifth amendment has been thoroughly exercised and appeals process fully depleted, and (ironically) not nearly enough visibility in the exercise of state power done by drone strikes and such, and so I take his point and appreciate it for what it is, which predominately is that I hadn't thought about it in that way before -- I still oppose the idea, but perhaps less strongly than before now that I know that bloodlust isn't the only viable interest (tho still a tremendous worry to me)
If this were livestreamed you'd have just insanely grotesque stuff like livestream commentators narrating and reacting to the footage while polymarket ads play over it, making memes and remixes of it like what happened with the Charlie Kirk assassination clips. It's all sick IMO.
I’ve worked on a slaughter floor before, and while it’s certainly not an enjoyable experience I can say with all honesty that a great deal is done to minimize suffering.
My philosophy is that I only eat meat I would personally be able to kill, which means chicken, ducks and fishes (probably game too). I still avoid battery chicken though.
2. Do you actually believe in the implied principle of "if you support [x] you must watch every [x]", or are you just using it a cudgel against people you hate? Would it be fair game for anti-abortion groups to demand "if you support abortion you must watch every abortion"?
The “safe” dose of midazolam used for anesthesia is orders of magnitude smaller than the dose commonly used in lethal injection.
> Would it be fair game for anti-abortion groups to demand "if you support abortion you must watch every abortion"?
This was actually a tactic used by anti-abortion groups back when Roe was settled law.
In this case, organized rape was effectively unpoliced for some time to avoid "community tensions" with police saying the children involved "were slags". The message should be sent that organized crime will now be prosecuted.
The ethnicity of the more recent perpetrators just provided another excuse. It wasn't the root cause of the inaction.
Yes, it really is that simple. I can leave my laptop unattended in an unlocked coworking space in Singapore because people know they'll be punished if they rob me. It's marvellous.
I haven't heard of a similar case of organized mass rape in the UK before this, so it's surprising to read you comment, but if you have sources add them here. Like many of the UKs (and Europes) problems, the issue isn't ethnicity, but rather Islam, which explicitly permits sexual slavery.