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Comment by daveguy | Hacker News Reader

shit man. I was asking a question. So much for curiosity at HN.

I think it's the "can we honestly say" phrasing that got you flamed here. It reads as "those stupid scientists don't know what they're doing".

Oof. Like I said. Just fyi, for any of the HN'ers left "can we honestly say" is just a colloquialism for "is it reasonable to say, given..." Pretty sure my "given" wasn't nutso anti-science. Especially considering I am a scientist. HN was fun while it lasted. Peace out.

It's probably just a terminology mismatch. But practicing scientists take a lot of care to honestly say what they're saying, so it doesn't land well as rhetoric.

Thank you. That's the exact understanding I was missing. I appreciate that.

Unfortunately it is very common for people to spend 10 minutes using their "common sense" to find some simple explanation that seems to have defied the Scientist, rather then spend that time to read a quick article that explains the foundamentals.

HN is less hackers than it is pedantic VC lackeys training for their aspirational role as a wealthy-and-opinionated Twitter personality.

Curiosity is one thing, but in practice "just asking questions about dark matter" is uncomfortably close to pseudoscience and a lot of us are sick of it. It's similar to if you had accidentally said something similar to a young-earth creationist.

Did you just compare CDM-Lambda to the age of the of earth?

That implies far more evidence than actually exists. The science on the age of the Earth is far more grounded in experimental results simply because, well, we live on the Earth.

This doesn't mean CDM-L is incorrect in any way, but saying that questioning it is similar to being a YEC is ridiculous.

There's confident and there's cocky, I think you veered too much in one direction there.

I plainly did not say they're equivalent, no. But the difference in mindset among the proponents is often one of degree, not kind. Bear in mind that I only brought it up to explain to someone why their honest questions might have been accidentally conflated with that mindset.

Personally I'm still holding out the possibility of something like MOND being true, even if it looks more and more like it will have to coexist with DM at best. That doesn't stop me from noticing that most of the people who believe in it look exactly like cranks, and many of them actually are. And I'm going to keep pointing this out where it's relevant.

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