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I can go book an FSD robotaxi right now in downtown Austin TX, I know because I’ve done it many times. It’s real and works great. Not sure what you mean about FSD.

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They sold FSD for private cars in cars like 7 years ago, that you can take a small area in Austian doesn't matter.

And people on Hardware 3 should collectively sue, because they will never, ever, ever, ever get FSD fully working on that. But instead of admiting that and paying people back (if they want) they continue to release small updates to pretendent its still possible. Musk is known for not giving a shit of supporting old shit, he looks at only the future always.

>small area in Austian

It’s like the entire city of Austin. It’s also the entire Bay Area.

I’m only making the point that it’s a real product and you can buy it. Sort of implied by the parent comment of it being a “scam” meaning that it was never delivered.

HW3 gets a supervised version which is the best they can do with the hardware that they shipped, it’s unfortunate I agree but it’s not totally out of line with what happens with other devices like the iPhone. Apple has a version of Apple Intelligence which is neutered on older devices, presumably because of hardware limitations.

I rode in a 2024 FSD Model 3 in greater Los Angeles area (maybe call it SoCal), for a couple hundred miles mixed highway, suburbs, heavy highway traffic, night driving etc, and every mile besides parking it did almost flawlessly. The only "mistake" i saw it made was one of overcaution. on a very wide road turning right at a red light, it started to go and then hammered the brakes when it saw a pedestrian begin to cross _on the far side_ the person didnt cross our path for like 30-60 seconds we could have been long gone and every human driver I can think of would have gone.

> It’s like the entire city of Austin. It’s also the entire Bay Area.

Ok, doesn't change my point.

And Musk himself said that geo-fanced self driving isn't self driving.

> HW3 gets a supervised version which is the best they can do with the hardware that they shipped, it’s unfortunate

Its quite literally a scam and it should be viewed as such. Musk said that since like 2017 sold cars where he advertised this feature.

Also, even HW4, current FSD Beta is nowhere near actually self driving or anywhere near that is can independently go out or even make money for you while you work.

So its quite clear that HW4 will not reach that level either, so we just keep kicking that down the road while having essentially scammed all buyers since then and refused them the ability to get their money back at the very least.

And they just moved it back another year in the last call. But sure next year he wont pull the football.

> Apple has a version of Apple Intelligence which is neutered on older devices, presumably because of hardware limitations.

I don't know about Apple, I at least haven't heard about them claiming that the old phones would be able to do some incredible things.

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