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Comment by dzhiurgis | Hacker News Reader

What are alternatives? I keep thinking I want something I can run vibed apps on, especially something grok bot right on device.

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I run vibed apps on my iphone just fine - you have to register for a developer account and pay the annual fee, but I have an agent app running that can improve itself and push new versions over wifi just fine.

I even have realtime watch complications which no shipping app can have because of apple restrictions - developer mode lets you push complication updates realtime if you want.

I'll probably consider something more open next time I buy but just pointing out that right now with a developer account you're not actually _that_ restricted on iOS, the experience is better than you might think if you're making an app you never intend to ship.

So whats the going rate nowadays for running your own apps in your own device? 100$ a year?

I already have an account so I use that regardless, but AFAICT you can in fact build for your own device without paying at all. I haven't tested this though.

I am not arguing Apple's restrictions are a good thing, if I were in charge I would in fact make allowing installing your own software on your own device a legal requirement of selling hardware, yet here we are.

Yes, I believe this works but for a limited time, you’d have to re-upload every week or so.

$100 per year for the privilege of being allowed to run my own code is absurd.

you can load your custom apps by usb onto any android phone.

usb not required android adb works wirelessly

ADB not required you can just install APKs. Or even point something like Obtainium (https://obtainium.imranr.dev/) at the releases page of your vibed app to get auto updates straight from CI. Or have the app auto-update itself.

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