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Very good news. It's a good sign if banking companies are considering the actual security issues at play and not just blindly rejecting all unofficial ROMs.

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GrapheneOS will have official support on multiple devices from Motorola and will likely eventually have green verified boot state on the subset of their devices with support for it. This won't help with the Play Integrity API banning using it. Apps aren't banning non-stock operating systems but rather non-Google-certified operating systems.

Google certification isn't open to us due to requiring licensing Google Mobile Services and agreeing to an enormous amount of anti-competitive terms including banning many of the privacy and security features we provide. It would also be incompatible with providing updates without unacceptable delays.

Have you tried to challenge Google's anti-competitive requirements in any way? Would make a case in EU.

Yes, we very actively engaged in discussion with the EU Commission. It hasn't resulted in any major actions against Google in this area yet. The people we've talked to seem to understand what we've told them but it's not more broadly understood. They focus on easier to understand and less technical things where Google can't fool them with misleading claims and misdirection as easily such as forcing them to allow alternatives to the Play Store and Google AI.

Play Integrity API is disguised as a security feature and is aligned with governments wanting to crack down on people freely using arbitrary software and hardware which makes it hard to convince governments to stop it.

> Apps aren't banning non-stock operating systems but rather non-Google-certified operating systems.

Potato, potato, right?

Is there such a thing as a non-stock operating system that is certified by Google?

Our point is that GrapheneOS will be an officially supported OS on Motorola devices and will be sold with it officially installed but will still be banned. It's likely it can have green verified boot state eventually but it will still be banned.

Is it actually going to be sold as the stock OS installed by an OEM? I thought it was something more like Canonical-certified hardware[0] where they certified compatibility but end-users still have to install it themselves.

[0] https://ubuntu.com/certified

There will be both the option to install GrapheneOS on a device sold without it and to buy a device with it preinstalled. Devices sold with it preinstalled are coming after the initial launch of support. Details cannot be provided yet.

> GrapheneOS will have official support on multiple devices from Motorola

This is excellent news, because the phone that has been confirmed so far (the Signature 27) is absurdly large and expensive. The Pixel 9 I currently run Graphene on is already too big for my taste.

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