Hacker News Reader

Comment by flowerlad | Hacker News Reader

> they have no way of knowing if the AI is bullshitting them

That hasn’t stopped Tesla. Their self-driving cars work by connecting the car’s controls directly to a neural network.

And they're still a decade away from general road use outside of vetted streets. Tesla is still struggling with pedestrian detection in rain tests.

isn't that more a consequence of them using a cameras-only approach vs. Waymo/others who have other sensing-modalities to fall back on (lidar mainly)?

Your information seems to be outdated, unless every single street I’ve been on for the past year is “vetted”. All the other (consumer) car brand’s self-driving systems do have that limitation though, maybe that's where the confusion came from. Tesla is self-driving 98% of my mileage, with the 2% being when I take over to choose a specific parking spot or I’m towing/carrying something big.

Don’t know much about how it does in the rain since moving to SoCal but in clear weather it hasn’t come close to hitting anyone yet. Even proactively warned me a few times while I was driving. Maybe I should let it take over in parking lots too :)

Someone take this guy's license

It'll be hard, when I'm never causing any accidents or speeding or running reds/stop signs. Maybe they could get me for inattentive driving but that's what the tinted windows are for.

They have world simulators which verify, to an extent, the behavior of the software

I thought that pretty much every self driving algorithm in production was based on machine learning of some sort.

In most cases it’s only the object recognition systems that use machine learning. I know that Tesla was talking about using non-deterministic AI for the decision making as well, but it’s a worry if they’re already doing it.

Makes sense. Thanks for the clarification

Earlier Tesla self-driving software used search-based planning and conventional optimization alongside neural networks. Tesla has publicly demonstrated A* in its path planning work.

A lawsuit revealing part of the camera analysis showed them using a classic CNN based object recognition network.

For those who won't act ethically or at least reasonably, regulation is the answer. We're not too far away from flipping the congress into something far more willing to do just that, especially with anything connected to Elon Musk.

Reply on news.ycombinator.com