[1] - https://www.instagram.com/reel/De2BfVRD30o
[2] - https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2026/10/16/meta-employees-...
His 3rd term was terrible, dozens of new taxes were implemented, living costs rose, purchasing power declined, and it became obvious that he was governing through the supreme court. His campaign was overconfident and taken completely off guard when they got utterly eviscerated in the 1st round of elections earlier this month. Left wing desperation was palpable.
Partidarian judges and journalists did everything they could to help Lula, but after the presidential debates on live television, it's pretty much over. There's just no way this guy is even fit to lead the nation ever again.
I guess Brazil is about to experience a shit-show similar to what the US is going through now, then. Not much hope left anywhere.
It's not even a lie. These leftists do want to abolish the police and create a bolivarian national guard or whatever.
He said this despite the fact organized drug gangs have been known to wage literal drone warfare in Rio de Janeiro. I'm not even kidding.
https://www.cnnbrasil.com.br/nacional/sudeste/rj/operacao-no...
I seriously doubt he's going to recover from this.
Without knowing much about Brazilian politics, all I can say is that I strongly doubt this. And at least a quick Google AI question suggests that your statement is not just off but completely false.
Most charitable interpretation possible is he's too senile and doesn't know what he's saying anymore. Not a good look either way.
He also closed the 1st presidential debate by saying that if he won, Brazil would end. Just another one of those moments.
I wouldn't put much stock into the "fact checking" newspapers that AIs are sourcing truth from either. Those are all known to be biased towards him. They'll do everything in their power to paint him in a favorable light.
> I know. Doesn't change the fact he said it and went viral on social media
These are post-truth comments. You don't care about how things really work, you just care about winning over the other post-truth incompetent. It doesn't matter if you are right or left, this stuff is what is sinking the world.
Doubt. See my other reply:
I tried google and he did in fact say it: "During the TV Globo presidential debate on October 23, 2026, Brazilian President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva stated: "Aprovada a PEC da Segurança eu vou criar o Ministério e ai você vai ver o que é um governo acabar, sabe, com a polícia e deixar o território livre""
Although google says that he might have been being sarcastic, and gave some additional defenses. I googled "Did Lula say he was going to end police recently?" and got these responses.
Im surprised that you got such a different result in such a short time frame, especially the "completely false" thing, as it's not far off the direct quote. What did you google?
Lula said on debate he was gonna end "milicias", and by mistake, he said "policias".
Milicia it's basically a narco/cartel, and Flavio Bolsonaro it's accused of being part of it.
Anything could happen in the next few hours... Just saying that it doesn't look good for him.
Surely there must be an official fact-checking website for the election.
So in my opinion this "gaffe" is just him revealing his true colors in public. Like when someone gets drunk and starts saying what they're really thinking.
There were numerous fact checking services, none of them particularly trustworthy. The "official" fact checking came from Globo, which hosted the debate. They're known to be biased towards him. They literally helped him out during the debate when he started screwing up his time management.
I had Astra perform a thorough fact checking on both debates, and the fact checking of Globo and other major newspapers. It found a certain degree of favoritism towards Lula.
Also... Globo are known to be biased towards Lula? This is a joke, right? Their very owners invited Flávio Surubinha for a "casual" lunch on the day of his interview. Lula didn't get the same treatment.
In other words, ending the military police. Replacing something with something else implies the destruction of the original.
They already ended it in practice. Nobody sane wants to sign up to be a military police officer in 2026. Anyone who does will end up getting sued by the very state they're supposed to be protecting before they're even out of the police academy, and it will screw up their future concurso options. São Paulo police forces had to expand their recruitment efforts to the whole country in order to find people dumb enough to sign up for it. The future is bleak.
> trained to deal with the civilian population rather than being trained in a military fashion
... The civilian drug trafficker population? The ones that walk around the favelas with pistols and assault rifles? The ones that drop grenades on police and rival gangs with drones?
Starting to wonder if you even live here.
> This is a joke, right?
No.
> Their very owners invited Flávio Surubinha for a "casual" lunch on the day of his interview.
Must not have been a good lunch then. Their journalists were literally sitting among Lula's people during the debate. They repeatedly tried to help him out with his time management instead of just shutting up and allowing him to screw it up. Their post-debate "fact checking" was also quite generous towards the old man. Bolsonaro: "Fake!!1". Lula: "Well see, it's not quite like that".
Sure but your original rhetoric made it seem like they wanted to stop policing. The change is one to make the police work for the civilian population, as opposed to the current training they receive where the population is the enemy.
> They already ended it in practice. Nobody sane wants to sign up to be a military police officer in 2026.
Because of body cams? Interesting.
> Anyone who does will end up getting sued by the very state they're supposed to be protecting before they're even out of the police academy
Really? Sued for what?
> ... The civilian drug trafficker population? The ones that walk around the favelas with pistols and assault rifles? The ones that drop grenades on police and rival gangs with drones?
This is a straw man. Obviously protecting the civilian population means fighting criminals, and they need to be trained for that. The vast majority of people in these communities are not criminals though, but they're seen and treated as that.
Starting to wonder if you've ever visited one or if you know people who live in them.
> Their post-debate "fact checking" was also quite generous towards the old man. Bolsonaro: "Fake!!1". Lula: "Well see, it's not quite like that".
He could have just stopped lying. Oh wait, that's actually not in his interest as then no one who's not a die hard Bolsonarista would vote for him.
If they didn't want that, they wouldn't demilitarize the police. Or vote against harsher sentences. Or defend early exit for criminals. Or turn police work into a legal nightmare.
> Sued for what?
For actually using their guns.
> Obviously protecting the civilian population means fighting criminals
They wouldn't demilitarize the police if it was that obvious.
Criminals? More like enemy combatants. Leadership, territory, army, laws, tribunals, even taxes. Drug gangs are their own nations and have pulled off an unannounced secession. The government needs to declare war on them and mobilize literal soldiers.
> they need to be trained for that
Yes, and equipped for that. In other words, they need to be military police.
> Starting to wonder if you've ever visited one or if you know people who live in them.
Worked in one. SUS primary care. Place I attended to got robbed during my time there. Government was dumb enough to buy some nice screens to display information on.
Coworker of mine saw a guy get executed right in front of him once. Responded to a 192 call and ended up face to face with a drug trafficker the second he hopped out of the ambulance, who then fired three shots into the patient who was agonizing on the floor, finishing him off. "Alright, you can take him now, doctor". To this day, ambulances do not drive up to the place where this happened without police escort.
> no one who's not a die hard Bolsonarista would vote for him
You're replying to one. Flávio is literally the anti-left, anti-worker's party, anti-supreme court vote. People can just pick their favorite reason.
I'm going to guess your experiences are either in SP or RJ. Neither have been governed by PT or anyone left-wing in a long time!
For the record, I don't like Bolsonaro very much precisely because he's too aligned with Trump. It's unfortunate, but there is no right wing in Brazil without Bolsonaro right now. He's currently the only person who can get Lula out.
The only politician that truly represents me is the late Dr. Enéas Carneiro. He advocated for a strong interventionist and protectionist state, national industry and development, and nuclear weapons. He's the complete opposite of Bolsonaro, and rather closer to the Chinese Communist Party.
You'll also often see me speak out against the numerous abuses of the Brazilian supreme court, which I have been tracking for years. My position is that they have silently usurped all power in the nation since at least 2019, and that they engaged in outright criminal conduct in the 2022 election in order to get Lula elected. There's a good chance they'll finally be impeached next year.
I have no idea what you mean by "Trump supporter tactics". I don't really socialize with MAGA people and generally avoid debating American politics. I'm just trying to honestly express what I think here. English language provides a good filter for intelligent discourse compared to the average Brazilian forum.