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Archive.today has been caught intentionally using JS in the past to target others maliciously, so probably better not to give them the benefit of the doubt: https://www.tomshardware.com/software/search-engines/archive...

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In that case he was targeting someone who was attempting to dox him to get him arrested. What would be the motivation in this case?

Same kind of spite that led them to block the entire country of Finland? The site owner clearly isn't above attacks based on existing in the same country as someone who's slighted them.

This wasn’t the first incident involving Finland and its government since the archive was established, nor was it even the second.

And when you consider that Jani Patokallio isn’t just some random, curious, cybersecurity blogger, but the ~40-year-old son of a high-ranking Finnish official who suddenly took up slighting and doxing, the story takes on a whole new dimension and it’s hard to come up with a benign explanation for his curiosity: either you’re being hounded by the deep state or a wealthy nutcase.

There's no conspiracy here. I have thoroughly investigated this case, and there is absolutely zero evidence supporting your claims. Jani's article was motivated by curiosity, not malice.

What amazes me is the existence of a stable group of archive haters who have been actively stalking it on all the platforms for many years, if not decades: gyrovague, iam-py-test, waad, .... What has it done to you that you’re chasing him? Isn’t it enough for you to simply stop using a free service that isn’t being forced on you? Are you its upset co-founders?

Curiosity? I don't buy it. Too long and persistent.

Combined with zero curiosity on neighbor projects like 12ft or magnolia1234's bypass-paywalls-clean.

You do stalk exact people behind archive.today and btdig, for years, not investigating the niche, so don't call yourself "security bloggers" or "journalists"

You're attributing teenage behavior to a 40-year-old posh guy. There’s more than enough evidence here: photos online, years of blogging about trendy luxury restaurants before suddenly pivoting to investigations into archives, and his father’s status as a public figure. So either there’s a conspiracy at play here, or Jani is simply an idiot and a psychopath. I’m willing to consider both possibilities, but you’re only considering the second one. In any case, both make him malicious.

The reporting describes it as:

> … a blog post from 2023, where the researcher looked into what makes Archive Today tick.

> The exposé reads as mostly positive, even suggesting that folks donate to Archive Today, as it provides a valuable service to the online community. Among the post's contents, Patokallio shows relatively slim and unverified findings about the Archive's operator's (or operators') identities and their income sources.

Is your argument that it's legitimate to intentionally cause user's PCs to conduct a malicious DDoS against someone who has possibly revealed who is operating a service and/or committing crimes? If someone posted that OpenAI had committed a crime or revealed its backers, would it be defensible for OpenAI to insert code for every ChatGPT.com visitor to make requests to that user's site every 0.3 seconds?

Or do you not think the archive.today operator's existing actions are defensible?

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