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Note also if you cite LLM output on Hacker News, your post will likely get flagged and shadowbanned ("dead"), even if the citation had nothing to do with spam. Apparently Hacker News is using Pangram now to check all comments for LLM content.

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You hit the nail on its head! Hacker News has been shadowbanning AI-generated content.

This is not just a spam filter. It's an innovative way to value the human factor—the most precious value in online communities.

Do you want me to pull a poem out of my ass?

Do you want me to

Pull a poem out of my ass

For you to peruse?

As long as it is

Not AI generated

Pangram will decide.

Some may trust those tools

I feel they will fail someday

Might need social graphs

Can't be AI output, there are too many sylables in the second line...

But "Pull poems out of my ass" would work ;)

Second line is 7 syllables though?

Poem is two.

Poem is one or two. Artistic license is deployed to enforce use of the singular

In American English, poem is pronounced as rhyming with "tome"

I could imagine in British English it might be a two-syllable "poh-ehm" though

If you're from part of the US where they don't talk right, sure ;)

It's two in Merriam-Webster. If it were a song it would fly, but for a haiku I'm throwing a flag on the word-play.

Merriam-Webster is the wrong horse if you want to force two syllables given that Merriam-Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary (11th ed.) has several acceptable pronunciations, one syllable (rhyming with “home”) and two syllables (with the second pronounced like “um” or “im” or “em”).

All on page 956 if you'd like to check ;)

https://archive.org/details/merriamwebstersc00merr_6/page/95...

Bedlam..

First down.

Kind of hypocritical on my behalf. I'm more of a descriptivist when it comes to language; I see it as a living breathing creation that is whatever we make of it, as long as the message is reliably traversing to mind to mind, it is correct.

As a native speaker from the US who knows it as two syllables, what region of the US are you referring to? Is this a deep south thing?

Glad to hear that an AI hallucinating an 8 syllable second line in a haiku would get it pass your detection, lol.

In all seriousness, poem is a single syllable for many.

This is not just (...) It's an...

Hmmm

I swear, humor is dead. Or rather peoples ability to perceive it.

More of "I see what you did there" champ

Got me at "You hit the nail on its head!", it is Gemini!

could add some "classic xy". it loves that SO much, even putting a nudge away from it in custom instructions doesn't clear it.

Good!

> Do you want me to pull a poem out of my ass?

My first thought was "Please leave such jokes for Reddit."

But now I'm curious in which subreddit(s) this belongs.

given the volume of bots there -- most of them

Making comparisons to Reddit commentary violates the hn guidelines.

You hit the nail it's dead, Jim.

Can confirm, got caught by it once. We were discussing if prompt engineering is still relevant, and I copied both the prompt I used and the output I've got. I realized I was shadowbanned because I'm not logged in on every device I use for browsing HN.

I'd consider that a bug.

I think we can do without people pasting llm generated output into the body of an LLM comment, if people need to provide it for some example, they can do it via a one of the services like https://pastes.io and an outbound link with appropriate description.

Yeah but the comment is shadowbanned (hidden except for the author), so people don't realize that they have done something wrong.

yeah, it would be good if the commenter (if they've never before tripped the no LLM generated text guardrail) could get some kind of warning like "don't do that, and here's why..."

Then someone with Show Dead turned on will vouch for them. When I see comments from shadow banned users, I’ll open their profile and 99% of the time it’s slurs.

note that this also applies to ironic LLM-assisted shitposts

I think there should maybe be a little more leeway/amnesty for accounts that aren’t new or don’t have a high rate of LLM tells. IMO if you could self-declare the AI usage and wrap them in <details> tags to handle the verbosity and attribution you could integrate it reaosnably

Remember that you can vouch for a flagged post.

I always do this when it is flagged incorrectly, but it doesn't usually help much because multiple people have to vouch.

It won't un-shadowban an account

"Ironic" bad behaviour is still just bad behaviour.

You’re absolutely right

Ironic speech is the main way people make jokes. Sure, ironic violence or something like that isn't a thing outside of WWE, but you shouldn't equate all "bad" behaviors.

In the past we could have said that we shouldn't expect an internet forum filter made of regex patterns to detect irony, but with LLM's as viable modding tools, I'm not sure that we shouldn't raise our standards...

What value does an LLM shitposting on your behalf bring to any discussion?

To equate irony with whatever is being satirized is blatant BS. If you think coming up with a single example proves a rule, you got it backwards.

Doesn't seem like you are responding to my question.

It's irrelevant and I even explained why, just in case you'd be extra slow - yet here you are... Do you hate all LLMs? Do you hate technology? Do you fear change? Answer me. I'm like building a really strong case here!!

I always assumed people were writing in LLMese themselves to mock it, not generating it.

"Bad behavior" is doing a lot of heavy lifting.

Some would call that load bearing.

Why is this downvoted???

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