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> If work goes away, society breaks down

The other premise was UBI. It's the article. how much better discussions would be if people read it?

> non-transactional reasons. Not just to get answers

0) i don't know about you but I like asking people about things because I just like hanging out with people, up to a point. how long this will remain true for humanity as a whole is the question, we can't know

1) if you listen to evolutionary biologists then everything we do is transactional for reproductive purposes, it depends on how deep you dig;)

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Yeah, but UBI is bullshit. It is impossible to buy UBI. The big American capitalists will recreate communism? It just wont happen AI or not. But, if UBI happens, living on UBI will be poverty.

> 0) i don't know about you but I like asking people about things because I just like hanging out with people, up to a point. how long this will remain true for humanity as a whole is the question, we can't know

You can ask people if you like asking people even if AI exists. Chatbot does not make asking people impossible if connection is what you are after.

> 1) if you listen to evolutionary biologists then everything we do is transactional for reproductive purposes, it depends on how deep you dig;)

Anticonception. We do quite a lot to not have kids.

There is evolutionary science and there is ideology using evolution as excuse.

> The big American capitalists will recreate communism?

They will do the minimum necessary to keep people from revolting. The minimum will be less and less as time goes by and surveillance/elimination get better/cheaper.

So, we are back at what I said - poverty and aliances fighting for scarce resources.

no we're back to UBI. First maybe UHI as Musk called it, later UBI. It's cheaper because people won't bite the hand that feeds you. If there's no hand, people won't fight each other for resources, they'll fight the rich.

The entire idea is just a trap, and an illusion sold by folks like musk while they continue to do what they do.

The only way it would be funded is with ‘chains’/conditions.

What idea is a trap? That population will live at behest of overlords who control technology and give people the minimum necessary? Such an appealing trap huh

Again, the trap is believing that there is even an will to create such a bandaid, when the status quo could just continue indefinitely.

Again the status quo continuing is the good outcome here. UBI is a means of control, not some utopian communism.

Compared to mass unemployment, eating dog food to stay alive, etc. which is the other obvious alternative? Why do you think the musks of the world keep touting it.

compared to a future where the tech they use to wield this sort of power is not allowed to exist. or even to status quo.

they tout UBI because it's one more way to control.

Eh, status quo is impossible once the cat is out of the bag.

It’s essentially nuclear weapons, except for social manipulation and propaganda production.

It’s too tempting/useful for any gov’t or large corporation to really allow to be banned. At least for them.

Elon Musk that Doge creator, the guy who pretended to save pennies so that he can cause as much damage to as many people as possible while costing a lot of money and breaking laws?

That guy?

Bold of you to assume that they will do the former and not just go all in on the latter.

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