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The numbers say Biden's immigration policies contributed to historically high unauthorized immigration, that deportations did not keep pace with arrivals, and that the administration failed to enforce immigration restrictions effectively. They don't say they wanted unlimited illegal immigration. They especially don't say that about Obama, who had Bush-level numbers.

What evidence shows that Obama and Biden wanted to actually maximize illegal immigration, as opposed to having different enforcement priorities or failing to control immigration effectively? Noting again that they were ready to pass a bill and sign it into law, but Trump tanked it.

It seems to me if there's a problem, and people want to fix it, but someone says "no", it's that person who wants the problem to persist.

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Lol, your claim is "the numbers look bad for the Democrats, but they never explicitly said they want the country to be invaded with illegals, they just did it"

That's the most brainwashed thing I've read all day

Don't trust what the politicians say, look at what they do:

- Illegal migrants under Biden: +7.3 million net illegal migrants

- During Trump's first term? It's -34,000 (yes, that's a negative number)

- How about the tally for Obama's second term? That's +493,000 net illegal migrants

As shown by those numbers, border enforcement does not need special legislation. If the people in power want to curb it, they can do so. If they want to turn on the tap of illegals, they can. And the Democrats did turn up the tap to the max.

You made a claim you can't support. Just move on. The numbers you're citing don't prove what you claimed, and they also don't support "an invasion of illegals" that's a political characterization. Net positive migration does not mean they want as many as possible, even if the numbers are larger than you want. You can ask ChatGPT for further explanation if you're still confused as to why, I'm not engaging with you further.

7.3 million illegal migrants in 4 years - that's the equivalent of 2.2% of the country's population, and you say "tHaT dOeSn'T pRoVe AnYtHiNg"

Numbers and facts speak for themselves, but you speak a different language

Plus, I never used the word "invasion", you're the only one using it, perhaps you're feeling invaded?

Despite what I said and against my better judgement, I'm replying because I can't abide you putting words in my mouth:

> I never used the word "invasion", you're the only one using it

The first characterization of this process as an invasion in this thread was your post here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50306566

> your claim is "the numbers look bad for the Democrats, but they never explicitly said they want the country to be invaded with illegals, they just did it"

"Invaded with illegals" is the characterization you chose. Please don't put your words in my mouth. Have a nice day.

I see you gave up completely on arguing the facts of the matter and you're just focusing on the semantics of a hyperbole, which is funny.

Anyway, my larger point was proven by the numbers and still stands. You conceded that Biden's immigration numbers are awful and then came with with some logical contortion that basically said "someone that rapes women without officially declaring he's a rapist, is not really a rapist, because he didn't officially declare it" (if I may use another hyperbole). Someone has to be really brainwashed to believe what you're saying. Border enforcement does not need special legislation, any Administration can just do it if they actually want to.

No I gave up on arguing with you because I've already made my point perfectly clearly, you've made yours as well, there's nothing left to say without going in circles. The only reason I engaged further was because you attributed your words to me, which I found quite rude. If you're not going to apologize for that, then please just move on like I asked you 2 posts ago. Again, have a nice day.

Ad hominem

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