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The bans are very lackadaisically enforced, and this is in a state where the ban is actually mandated by law (Missouri). My daughter says in high school kids regularly have phones out in class. And a ban even if enforced would not keep kids off these harmful platforms for the many other hours in the day.

Why anyone would expect phone bans to improve mental health is beyond me when the majority of phone use is not happening at school.

Improve grades, improve classroom behavior, maybe. What about those?

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I actually read it as "They're no more unhappy without than with them" . Kinda occam's razor of if they're not unhappier without their phone, then there's no harm taking it from them.

Assuming that's true, why are they more unhappy without them? Sounds akin to dependency/withdrawals at that point.

You've read it wrong .. "they're NOT more unhappy without them"

Correct.

I'm saying When we remove their phone, they do not have any sense of loss (unhappiness). If that's true then the simpler system of no phone is preferable to the complexity of having one.

If the phone was adding something (something unique/irreplaceable) then we'd expect to see some negative outcome once it's removed.

> Analyses using a more stringent definition of school phone bans (ie, requiring phones to be stored away and not carried on the student’s person) also yielded findings consistent with the main results

Everyone wants to love to hate on phones, but we watched the same commercial over and over again in front of a TV.

But that ad didn’t get you to exercise gambling mechanics. It wasn’t tuned to exactly the thing that would get you, personally, to engage.

After a while, watching the same rerun or failing at the same Contra level got boring and playing outside seemed like a good change of pace. For most people, watching TV was at least somewhat communal.

Please tell me which decade in human history average I people had access to the “right amount of high-quality information..” - or however, you define this golden age of brain rot

"I stopped smoking during work hours but still got lung cancer?!?"

Classroom behaviour is what it’s all about. Schools have turned into an absolute barnyard. A kid checked out of class and watching TikTok should be marked absent. Teachers blame parents but we are not the adults in that particular room.

> Improve grades, improve classroom behavior, maybe. What about those?

Isn't that partly the goal with the ban? Fewer distractions.

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