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Proton engineering culture always got a bad rep pre-AI era as well(per their glassdoor reviews[1]) . Poor engineering directly or indirectly makes them susceptible to data breach because good talent stays away. One reason why I hesitated moved to proton back when a lot of people did. My understanding is that the only reason they are in the game are because send email services are extremely difficult to run.

[1] https://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/PROTON-Reviews-E13574.htm

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Did an interview for them. They sent me a 3 page IQ-like test ("how much triangles are inside this triangle"-type of thing).

I guess they didn't like my reply of "many"

That's a whole wrong PROTON you linked (some car related company?), but the real one is not that much better either:

https://www.glassdoor.com/Overview/Working-at-Proton-privacy...

This is very disappointing, I've been on Proton for a long time and just assumed a "high trust non-Google" email provider implicitly had integrity. Knowing that they're scummy almost defeats the purpose of using it for me.

I think de-googling is itself has its costs. I've been waiting for a better solution to email. On a related note fundamentally I think the incentives to keep email infra alive is linked to the same incentive rooted in the core belief held by companies/services that ads work.

If there was an inflection point to break that perception — like covid gave a pause for thought for location based ad targeting — and hence the incentive, perhaps we can kick email as one of the ideas whose time has come.

I am rooting for ATproto to be the replacement.

> de-googling is itself has its costs

It can, but it depends on how "googled" you allowed yourself to become in the first place. For me, that's not much at all. But if you've been all-in (or near it) for years, with tons of docs, your photo archive, etc. all tied to google, then yeah, moving away is gonna be difficult.

which is exactly why the AI push and brand harm from the CEO is so baffling, it is in essence an email service based on privacy and trust, what is the point of pushing AI so hard. Wonder if the CEO has some sort of AI psychosis, I prefer products branded on privacy/security to not take the 'move fast and break things' route

How is there a CEO salary listed?

On the Internet, sometimes people pretend to be someone they're not and even go as far as to provide erroneous data on purpose.

Some of those people might actually be dogs, but it is very hard to know!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Internet,_nobody_knows_...

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