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Nine Killed After a Learjet Crashes in Palm Beach County, Florida

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Maybe turn audio off, having read other comments it seems to be extremely unpleasant for some people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1jvvPRHJL0

The calm in the pilot's voice, then alternating with sheer terror and panic. Holy shit it's awful.

https://reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/1xlagy3/f16_crash_nea...

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I wish I hadn't listened to that ATC recording. Read the transcript instead, trust me on this one.

Pilot reported an overspeed condition. Overspeed can cause structural and control failure leading to loss of control. And still frame just before the crash shows damaged/missing horizontal stabilizer.

Did overspeed occur? Why? Did it cause aircraft damage leading to loss of control?

We will have to wait a while to know for sure.

Just listened the horrific ATC audio. Why didn't she initiate LearJet's heated wing de-icing? When OAT is around 0C should have been turned on. They were flying in -47C that's ridiculous cold.

Warning. Heard people say on Reddit to NOT listen to that audio.

Yeah will have to wait a year or two to find out the cause.

I'll just say I wonder why they flew in that weather system at all. From watching too many accidents on YT I am guessing with private aviation there is more pressure to get it done.

On flight radar where I live if there is a fraction of the thunder storms the sky is a ghost town and they will delay departures from other airports say 1hr flight away to wait it out.

Read more about this since and I think deicing can only do so much and can be overwhelmes by severe icing perhaps cause by supercooled water (liquid but below zero).

Usually at -47C it is too cold for this to happen but speculators have said this may be supercooled liquid coming up from the lower thunderstorm.

Happy for people to comment if any of this is wrong. I am not a pilot or aircraft engineer or fluid mechanic etc.

My layman's idea of how hard to get rid of ice: try cleaning your freezer of built up ice or chuck a massive block of ice in the sun and see how many hours it takes to melt. Snowmen can survive a sunny few days after the snow.

Let’s all breathe for a moment to keep rationality:

1. These people were going from Austin to Freeport Bahamas. Statistically they’d have had much higher chances of dying if they went with car + ferry

2. Considering how everythinng related to aviation immediately becomes first page news this is the first incident with victims in iirc 60ish days for civil aviation on a global level . So much more life was enjoyed thanks to aviation and so many miles traveled and places visited in safety thanks to aviation

3. dying in a scary manner should not be considered a pejorative compared to dying while in sleep. The point of living is to fill one’s life , not avoiding ‘scary deaths’ and aviation makes you fill your life better than any means of transportation known to man

Most of the same considerations also apply to nuclear energy

If you're going to jump into a tense and emotionally charged conversation as the rationality cop, you really need to know what you're talking about. You did not condition your statistical argument on the operator of the aircraft. Private and commercial aviation are completely different animals.

Whatever operator is better than drving, unless we are talking embarassingly short trips a la Taylor Swift

I listened to the audio. Sadly, an emotional female pilot knowing she was about to crash. From 30,000 ft to ground zero in less than 60 sec, they said.

After the Wokes started the political proactivism of literally claiming that "Professionalism is a Racial Construct" or "sexism" ([Professionalism as a Racial Construct](https://www.uclalawreview.org/professionalism-as-a-racial-co...), [You Call It Professionalism; I Call It Oppression in a Three-Piece Suit](https://everydayfeminism.com/2015/02/professionalism-and-opp...)), there had been a lot of airplane crashes caused by inconceivable incompetence on the part of the pilots.

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