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To be fair to them, if they have an expected output this can be exactly what you need.

They've been super useful to me when comparing datasets during a porting process.

But if they don't have that loop, then they make assumptions and build towers of madness on top of said assumptions.

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Towers of madness... that's absolutely perfect. I'm stealing that. This has happened so many times that it lives as a concept in my head but it never got a label. Thank you.

This is most apparent when you can see the actual thinking tokens, not the sanitised versions that the US labs show.

Fundamentally if I am paying for these tokens, I should be able to see them but that's not where we are right now.

Interesting, no? You pay for something, but they won't let you audit what you are actually paying for.

Yeah, but the Chinese might see them! \s

Like, it's wild to me seeing majority Chinese ML teams for years in the Bay and elsewhere that suddenly in the LLM space they are only capable of competing by stealing the hard stolen goods of our frontier US developers.

And people lap it up. And every Chinese advance - also made public, usually through papers - is implemented immediately by Western companies. Some of these are big steps forward and could have possibly been patented but they just share.

And the naming... 'Anthropic' & 'OpenAI' are such misnomers, that's not an accident.

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