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nature has proven calming effects on humans... bird sings, even plants on the roof of an urban area can have positive effects just because of the vision

i highly doubt a christian church has the same effect. everytime i see a church i think about atrocities commited by the religion and alienation

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> i highly doubt a christian church has the same effect. everytime i see a church i think about atrocities commited by the religion and alienation

Maybe not the exact same effect as nature but it is indeed calming to me at least. Stepping into a cathedral, or masjid, or temple and the noise of the world falls away (and I'm not even religious). I'm sure I'm not the only one.

i'm also not religious and having lived in a remote place for more than a year, i lost count of the amount of times i sat at the grass in a completely meditative state by starring at clouds, mountains and sunsets

everytime i see a church i think about atrocities commited

Not to downplay atrocities committed in the name of Christianity but I am pretty sure every large ideology has its share of of atrocities.

yes but when you have it talking basically exclusively about "love", it's much harder to swallow

Most ideologies have their keywords. Love, peace, freedom, fairness, ... and the atrocities keep coming.

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