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I read the page but not being an expert on Flipper I am not confident I can tell the difference from the Flipper Zero.

It is a completely different device.

Flipper Zero is for the physical layer: radio, RFID, IR, etc... It is based on a small microcontroller and is mostly "bare metal", think Arduino, ESP32,...

Flipper One is for the network layer: Ethernet, Wi-Fi, 5G, etc... It is a "real computer" running Linux, like a Raspberry Pi.

Interesting. So the model number corresponds to the OSI network layer?

I'm hoping for Flipper 8 and Flipper 9 now.

Jokingly I've always said layer 8 was people, 9 was management, and 10 was budget.

The two that I've heard are money and politics.

RFC 2321 suggests that they are "political and religious" layers. https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc2321/

   In this document we introduce a new hardware-based tool for diagnosis
   and repair of network related hardware and software problems. This
   tool is best suited to addressing nondeterministic problems such as
   those described above. This tool has broad areas of application at
   all levels of the OSI model; in addition to uses in the physical,
   network, transport and application layers, it has been used to
   successfully address problems at the political and religious layers
   as well.

No. There was never an OSI "layer zero", and it's unclear how the OSI model would apply at all to functionality like RFID card reading.

flipper zero is just a small device with an SMT32 MCU, flipper one is a whole bloody linux computer, with an rp2350

I suppose the idea is it combines workflows you'd use a flipper zero + pc for into one device. Neat in idea, im not certain who it's truly for in practice. A flipper zero 2 with wifi built in and some minor improvements would have been much more welcome in my eyes.

I used it instead if needing to have a pocketful of access keys and garage/gate remotes. Also the remote control was great for random AC units or muting the sound on the airport lounge newsmax horror television.

but it broke too much and I found a better solution

Don't leave us hanging! What's the better solution for you?

Sorry...for the keys I got a very small chameleon ultra, fits on a keyring, the pocket toy has been replaced with a M5 cardputer which is better at being a real tool than flipper as it has all the sensor options.

The flipper was still a very nice thing to put in the pocket for along time for sure

Thanks. That's https://lab401.com/products/chameleon-ultra and https://shop.m5stack.com/collections/controllers/CARDPUTER as far as I can tell... I might look into those, especially as my f0 wears out. The f1's feature-set doesn't interest me. Nor does it's price point, which I imagine falls into the "ain't cheap" category.

The chameleon can get a clone one on Ali for much cheaper and depending on the revision better hardware. I like supporting the originals but in this case the difference is pretty big (cost/quality)

Cardputer has a new pi zero variant coming out this month that runs full Linux, half GB Ram only, but should be fun nonetheless

Chameleon claims this on their website about clones:

  Why Clones Underperform

  Stable RFID requires accurate timing and tuned antennas for perfect coupling.
  Cloned devices compete on price. Reducing the price means using lower-quality components (less precise, wider tolerance), which results in poor performance. Likewise, lowering testing standards means a cloning factory has fewer rejects - but customers receive devices of unproven stability and performance.

The wifi board works fine with the zero, integrating it into the device is a pain in the ass, far from a 'minor' improvement.

Yeah, they should have included a comparison on the Kickstart page. If you check out the "we need your help" page, that has a chart with "Zero vs One":

https://blog.flipper.net/flipper-one-we-need-your-help/

The two devices are complementary.

Zero does mostly "radio" stuff (RFID, subghz, etc). One does mostly "network" stuff (wifi, 5g, etc).

Yeah, this is just a Linux computer. May as well get a raspi unless you particularly care about the form factor. Zero was the real interesting product.

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