What do the next 4000 emoji look like?

That's a simple hack that fixes this issue, good job.

But now you have many more issues,

if you use a bitmap, it will look pixelated sometimes, some people love to zoom over text at incredible levels. What about light/dark themes?

If you use vector graphics, then which kind of them? will you use quadratic beziers, allow cubics? And don't think that it is easy to render vector graphics efficiently, there are many issues, parsing, anti aliasing, performance, you are also adding a new security nightmare, a good attack vector with complex to handle, parse untrusted user input.

And boy, we didn't even talk about caching, when will you send those payloads? when you type one emoji? Then what about the 2nd time? Surely not? Then how do you know the receiver has not lost your first payload? Should you batch send most payloads at the beginning? Will that introduce latency? Will you be hated by future generations?

Decoupling meaning, intent from representation, implementation is a good idea from text encoding schemes. We should not lost it. Fonts are a perfect example, most people are happy to use them. They do not overly complaint that you can change the way text is looking. The same meaning is sent to you, your platform text rendering stack is interpreting it and macos users are happy to have their consistent look, windows users are happy to have their ClearType legible rendering, ..well most are anyways.

Complex subjects rarely call for a simple hack. Yet I agree, emoji rendering is an issue. Some people even want to put in fonts rendering code (wasm?) because of how complex it is to handle.

Emoji is as font. And Unicode doesn’t store fonts, it describes character encodings.

And it is up to everybody how graphical representation of such encoding looks like.

Unique, universal and uniform encoding -> Unicode, in 1988 coined by Joe Becker.

So you want the only widely accepted international text encoding to require including a whole image encoding standard too?

The emoji plane represents the most censored, internationally accepted, committee-deliberated, and culturally sensitive image set in existence.

Isn't this expected? It's always been custom emotes everywhere. Even before emojis, the "default emoticons" fell out of favor among avid users.

Antiquated symbols used in historical texts is something I approve of in Unicode.

Marketing copy and job offers are full of them, and AI has made that much more frequent. I assume you include all kind of pictures punctuating sentences, such as "someone at a computer" when you mention working, etc., not just yellow faces.

They are not part of any existing writing scheme. I think they could be a different standard like ":+1:" and ":chainsaw:" but it makes no sense for them to be built into text rendering.

Can not speak for the original poster, but I tend to agree in that it greatly limits the speed of creativity due to the integration process, creates a very subjective bureaucratic process for inclusion, and that frankly emoji are not a script (yes yes, you can make an argument that they are akin to ideograms, but this analogy breaks down rather quickly). Thus, I think a different technological solution could have been warranted. The story I keep hearing is that it was necessary to get the Japanese telephone companies on board with Unicode rather than their own emoji hacks combined with local Japanese encodings, which I can sympathise with as a necessary (but unfortunate) evil. A word of caution though that I find text with heavy use of emoji largely unreadable as my eyes fixates on the emoji rather than following the text; thus I am likely biased (but possibly still correct).

All things aside though, Han unification [1] remains the worst part of Unicode to me as it makes it impossible to know whether the glyph I am seeing is the one intended by whoever wrote the text (Chinese names in e-mails for example is an utter mess for someone like me that has to have their system set up to mostly handle English and Japanese). The whole Han unification mess more or less necessitates markup and sometimes even the insertions of raster image glyphs for historical and regional texts which is just bloody daft. Yes, Unicode language markers do exist and can resolve this in part. But, they are invisible to the end user, can disappear while copying and pasting, and you have to rely on the original author even putting them there in the first place! Whenever someone struggles to see the issue, I usually propose that we unify the common subsets of the Cyrillic, Greek, Latin, and Mathematical glyphs which usually finally drives home the point.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_unification

I think that Unicode should have been limited to only depicting existing writing systems. Anything else is imo out of scope for a text encoding format.

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I agree. I'm deeply ill with detect-the-claudlish-itis and this mercifully did not set off my detectors.

Incidentally, I wondered if this was going to be "I asked AI to generate the next 4000 emoji", and was pleasantly surprised to find some joyous, snacky linguistics content.

> Take a sentence as volatile as "I'm going to kill you." Standalone, I’m calling 9-1-1. Tack on a loudly of ryongface like, “I'm going to kill you ” and now we’re both laughing. Add a wink and blood rushes to my face, you flirt. One tiny pictograph completely changes the legal classification of the message.

What in the hallucinogens are we talking about here? On the one hand, this is off the rails, in a way that feels AI, on the other hand, the only reference to "ryongface" out there seems to be this article. Even if I think that word could be corrected to … literally anything? … the rest isn't going to make much sense: "I'm going to kill you [winking emoji] — ha ha you flirt"¹ — seriously what?

¹(Still quoting the article, here.)

Depends on the emoji. Unicode covers a lot. Some of it is frivolous and distracting, not that there's anything wrong with that, imo. Some of it, like ♠ or ⬅ or 哥哥 or the degree symbol ° is important for meaning in a certain context, and not frivolous at all. most are stripped out. it is left as an exercise for the reader to work out which ones aren't.

> Edit: hmmm it seems actually to be more of a problem with the symbols that are constructed by combining two emojis with a zerowidth char. Like the heart on fire one.

Both "heart" and "fire" match that emoji for me on multiple IMEs (GBoard, IBus).

Every once in a while?! You see it everywhere. Especially immature social mediums; specifically reddit where such people thrive. Just the mere thought of wanting or needing 4000 emojis shows how outrageous it's become.