Remote start is huge where I live. When it's -10C and there's a foot of snow you have to dig out in the morning, you can start your car from the app and then start shovelling. The alternative is a hokey pokey of shovelling yourself a path to the car, getting in, starting it, getting out, resuming shovelling. Not the end of the world but it's very nice. Even if there's no snow it's nice to get the cabin above freezing while you're eating breakfast without putting your boots on.
as for "I often forget to lock the doors"... why do you often forget to lock the doors?
Having just switched from an "old-school" car to one of these "keyless" types, I think the problem is actually self-reinforcing -- the keyless entry and start stuff means you interact with the key less and less so you're more likely to forget to interact with it to lock the car. I can't think of a time I forgot to lock my old school car and yet it's happened more than once with the newer car since I got it a few months ago.
i'm in legit cold canada and being able to open my garage remotely and start my car means it's a lot easier to herd small kids into a warm, comfy carseat.
I really like using my phone as my key for my car. It's nice having less stuff in my pockets.
Clearly, not a critical use case but it is handy.
Remote locking and remote start are much more useful.
I’m not saying physical keys are not needed, but a nice digital solution is one of the things I really wish I had a Tesla. I wish the other car manufacturers would actually invest in good mobile experiences, they’re all such ass.
good question. I don't know? There are three things I carry with me literally everywhere: phone, keys, and wallet. Any one of them missing in the morning means I have to hunt around the house to find them before I can leave for work. This would not change if I could unlock my car with my phone (I still need to be able to lock my front door and/or let myself in when I come home again, requiring keys)
That's not to say they make sense. The total amount I spent on having the locksmith let me back in to my apartment that year was significantly less than the cost of putting in a combination lock.
Unlike say etcd where three improves reliability to the best of the three, three locks would decrease reliability to the worst among them.
Modern cars already make it much more difficult to lock your keys in the car than in ye olden days.
And the "did I remember to lock my car" remote-check functionality doesn't seem nearly worth the "now a hacker can remote-unlock my car" tradeoff. It's not like that "did I lock it" check helps prevent a "someone smashed the window and grabbed something out of it" scenario anyway.
It's completely unnecessary.
Modern cars automatically lock themselves when they sense there are no keys nearby, nobody in the seats, and the doors are closed for x minutes.
Are there cars that let you drive them without the key?
My car allows me to unlock it with a phone from the other side of the planet. But to actually drive, it requires the key to be inside.
Misplacing the phone actually. Car keys are either in someone's pocket/bag (then you talk to whoever used the car last) or in a set place in my home. The phone might be wherever I used it last.
So, while I misplace my phone more often, I also find it with less difficulty.
And so can the police, and so can DHS, and so can ICE, and so can Google ad services, and so can the last 50 highest bidders, and so can ...
I do own a car. Keys in home are always in exact same spot. Phone can we literally anywhere, good I have smartwatch and I can trigger "locate my phone" that way.
I just don't get the idea of unlocking car though app via internet. Neither I get the "keyless entry" (meaning I do not even need to touch the key fob to unlock car) and "start button" (well if you place key in ignition switch then you will not lose it!)
The security drawback is not worth, fixing non-existing problem in the first place.
…And what about the many other things one misplaces about the house? For instance, Wireless mice, TV and various other remote controls, etc.
I just cannot understand why the tech crowd hasn't developed a much-needed Missing Objects protocol.
Think of this. When you lose an object you immediately go to a big button that's hidden and securely bolted down (so you can never lose it) then press it. Like your fob key and car, it activates all these easily-lost items and they start beeping madly so you can find them. Lose the mouse in the couch somewhere and the 'couch' starts beeping. Voilà, one found mouse.
It's crazy that a simple concept like this doesn't exist in practice.
Meanwhile, if I'm out in public and a bad update bricks my phone (or cell coverage is down?) I can no longer use my car. The idea that consumers would hope for more entrenchment into the phone ecosystem is absolutely baffling.
Or at least as a car owner, this is my risk assessment exercise output.
[1] Yeah, I just pulled this off my ass, don't think there are trustworthy stats either in one direction or the other.
Unfortunately Hyundai decided, in their wisdom, to put the door lock button (to lock all doors) in the console between the front seats. Exactly where Sally stepped when she came from the back.
Both my wife's keys and phone were still in the car.
30 minutes later, a local mechanic showed up. He gently pried the front door open with something like a whoopie cushion, and was able to poke the door lock button and open everything. It took him about 5 minutes.
Hyundai Canada can, of course, open the doors remotely, but when I called them they refused to and only offered to call CAA (the Canadian version of AAA, and the people Hyundia sub-contracts their roadside assistance to). I guess that makes sense considering the liability of remotely unlocking for someone whose identity they can't verify.
Mazda charges $10-15/month for their remote unlock/start app.
They hook a lot of people now with the first couple years free, then spin around and go for a $150+ a year whammy. We gave up.
Not just necessary, but very necessary? I understand it's convenient, but I think you've overstated it a bit. You can always start your car and then go back in the house for a few.
All remote unlock is doing is adding an unnecessary insecure remote layer on top of that for convenience.
Also, there was something sticky with the door lock. If I used the key instead of the fob, sometimes the anti-theft system would not disarm and the only way I found to disarm it was to use the fob to turn that alarm off. Grrrr. Fobs lasted about 3 years and cost $100 to replace/reprogram.
My current car (a Miata) has a key only to unlock the door in the event of a dead battery. It has a pushbutton instead of the traditional ignition key, so the key is pretty useless outside of a dead battery.
I'm not convinced it is even lazy to use a phone to unlock a car.
you can argue that the security tradeoff is not worth it, but claiming the demand is not there is just silly
> So you can be just a little bit more lazy
Which:
> i can either go back inside to get the keys, or just open the car from the app
I think qualifies, personally. Your house might be way bigger than mine though