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Why does market standard practice “whattaboutism” need to defend the despicable? This is hacker news, is it not? Let’s celebrate the bold and call out the lies. Not pander to the mediocre.

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I did not say it in defense of Musk, rather to damn terrestrial internet providers along with him.

It's purely because of his politics. Everyone loved Teslas before he moved to the right.

> he moved to the right

If by "moved to the right" you mean "he fell off the far end and if he were a politician his politics would be considered radical extremism", sure.

I feel like this is a false narrative I hear a lot. “Everyone” didn’t love Teslas, it was a niche product and then Musk exposed himself as one of the worst people on earth, and the market shrank even more. It’s a strawman to claim Teslas were loved by “everyone” (implicitly or explicitly often stated as people with a left wing bent).

As I remember things, a lot of people turned on Musk (or were already against him) in 2018 when he called the diver who rescued children trapped in a cave in Thailand (and "stole" a moment of glory from Musk and his mini-sub) a "pedophile".

Long before he announced he intended to vote Republican in 2022.

Yeah, I think that’s when people went from having no opinion on Musk to actually disliking him and it’s been all downhill from there.

Nobody said "everyone" meant everyone ever. In all statements like that, there is an implied "everyone with feelings on Tesla"

Musk fanboys are hardly “everyone”.

I said nothing about Elon specifically.

Let's not forget stunts like the cave rescue sub that was incredibly unfit for purpose and him calling one of the actual heroes of that moment "pedo guy"

He's always been a piece of shit, it's just that the last several years he's been a far more obvious piece of shit.

He fired his PR team at Tesla[0] who were doing a sterling job of polishing a turd. Since then he has been more obviously a dope-addled con manchild.

[0] https://electrek.co/2020/10/06/tesla-dissolves-pr-department...

"musked" isn't a thing, reply is spot on in my opinion.

I think it might be, Tesla, Cursor, Twitter/X have also been notably user hostile.

No, they haven’t? Relative to their competitors, all three have been excellent.

Twitter is not “excellent”, it’s a sewer. Cursor isn’t even really a thing anymore. Claude Code and Codex killed it. Tesla just discontinued their garbage can on wheels and promised (and charged for) fake “full self driving” for years.

All Reddit bullshit.

Cursor: $4 billion in annualized revenue. https://presenc.ai/research/cursor-usage-and-revenue-statist...

X: 550 million daily users. https://twtdata.com/twitter-statistics/

Tesla: "Fake" or not, 1.74 million active FSD subscriptions with record growth: https://www.notateslaapp.com/news/4862/tesla-fsd-hits-record...

I don’t know what “Reddit bullshit” is, I’ve never even used Reddit. $4B revenue (and dropping) is nothing today.

X is a sewer, quite a bit smaller than the other social networks too!

Yes, “full self driving” is fake. Compare any of the numbers you’re quoting with the fraudulent valuations behind Musk’s scam companies and you’ll see why the SEC should throw him in prison, were we living in a functioning society.

Subjective, Bluesky is also a sewer, reddit /r/all is also a sewer.

Objectively all of those things are sewers. Twitter is the worst though.

So it's not OK to compare things in relative terms, but we should only compare them in an absolute sense? Pretty lofty ideal. (The appeal to emotion is very inspiring though, not gonna lie.)

What does the competition even offer here?

This is HN, where anything less than the commenter's idea of perfect is a crime against humanity

Especially when it's Elon Musk.

Sib will certainly switch to the first good alternative when it becomes available, any day now surely

If one appears, one of the reasons will be that people complained about the existing one, signalling the market.

This "just eat your gruel and be grateful" attitude on Hacker News is becoming very common now but remains surprising. This is the attitude of serfs, not hackers.

Man, kind of a shitty comment, sorry.

That’s the thing about kleptocracy, Musk has artificial barriers constructed by the government, making competition nearly, if not literally, impossible.

What barriers would those be? There are well-funded competitors in every domain he competes in. His products are just the most competitive. HN has totally jumped the shark on Musk.

Being allowed to circumvent SEC rules for one, which gives access to huge amounts of capital, which then feeds exclusive government contracts. HN is way more pro-Musk than the average human. He’s hated.

The enforcement of SEC rules over small issues (e.g., the 420 tweet) have not given him access to huge amounts of capital. He has access to huge amounts of capital because he has repeatedly produced giant profitable businesses that people want to invest in, including many very sophisticated investors in private offerings.

JUMPED. THE. SHARK.

Yes, that he’s not in prison like he should be for constantly and knowingly offering fraudulent projections has indeed granted him access to capital. Again, he would be in prison were the rules enforced.

I don’t know what you mean by “JUMPED. THE. SHARK.”. Maybe you’re accidentally replying on the wrong thread?

Musk's ambition enables GGP to post on HN from Western Mongolia, but he is derided because his company used to offer an even better option once.

Enables it for 30 days. Such a massive cut in usability on top of tripling in price for existing users does deserve derision.

This is what happens when there is no competition. There is no better alternative, and if demand goes up...

Before starlink existed, there was also no competition.

So what, nobody is allowed to launch any product unless it also has a competitor?

I don't know how you got there but no that's not the implication.

Thread is complaining about starlink having no competition.

It is, but it's not complaining in the weird way you interpreted it.

What? I'm confused by your reply.

I meant that Starlink adjusting prices shouldn't be surprising, if anything it is still cheap (IOM).

I got a mini on sale at HD for ~200, paid 0/mo -> 5/mo now $10/mo to keep online as a backup. Amazing tech IMO and cheap.

Thread was complaining about starlink having no competition. That's like complaining AWS had no competition a couple years after it launched.

> Musk's ambition enables

It's so weird to me the attribution of collective efforts to a single individual.

> his company used to offer an even better option

Yes, it's a degradation in service not unlike a bait-and-switch.

I just don't understand how you can hold your mental model of the world.

>>It's so weird to me the attribution of collective efforts to a single individual

Yeah, totally never happened with Steve Jobs and Apple.

Yes, and that was weird too, to anyone not a blind fanboi.

I mean neither of them are physically assembling iPhones or Teslas, but I do think Apple and Tesla/Starlink/Whatever would be different companies without them.

> different companies

Not a very strong or interesting thesis.

Yeah, what is this person's point? That a cliche is common?

Yes! It's tedious in many cases.

>It's so weird to me the attribution of collective efforts to a single individual.

Why didn't you reply to the guy blaming Musk personally for the plan changes?

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