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Can you say Samsung?

If I had any money I'd be short on Apple stock.

Google Nexus ($350) and Samsung Series laptops (max $1,500 for 17") are Apple killers on the rise.

For similarly spec'd hardware, Apple is quite expensive. I guess you do get OS X and iTunes...wait, there should be a price reduction just for enduring their presence ;-)

Sold my spinning beach ball iMac and bought a PC again. Sure Windows blows, I know, but what can you do? I mean it's not like there's an alternative to the corporate OS box...or wait, what's this I see here, something called Linux: Fedora, Debian, Ubuntu,...maybe I'll give Linux a shot.

Apple isn't much different than M$ when it comes down to it, highly restrictive, although the bling factor is pretty high, nice looking gear.

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Ahhh, karma accrued and lost, the perils of taking a contra-Apple stance.

Sorry, ditching Apple's BSD for a "real" Linux distro ranks as the 2nd best developer decision I have ever made (the 1st being switching from Windows to Apple).

To put in perspective, just picked up a Dell Precision Series M4700: 3840QM K2000 2GB graphics 16GB (could go 32GB if I ever need it) 256GB SSD 256GB mSata bluetooth, webcam, backlit, etc. $1,700

Comparable MBP would be at least $3K, no? Picked up a pair of Skullcandy Aviators, Google Nexus phone, North Face laptop bag and I still have a grand to go before I get to MBP price tag.

Shit, guess I'll use the remaining grand to get my flight to France, spring surf season just about to begin ;-0

You're so right. With Dell, you get twice the computer for half the price:

Dell Precision Series M4700

Height: 1.29" to 1.44" / Width: 14.80" / Depth: 10.08" / "Target Starting weight": 6.33 lbs

Apple MacBook Pro 15"

Height: 0.71" / Width: 14.13" / Depth: 9.73" / Weight: 4.46 lbs

Also,

MBP: 2880x1800 Dell: 1920x1080

I've got a 23" LG monitor that I travel with (6.5lbs) which it just so happens is 1920 X 1080 -- plenty for coding.

You're right. The Dell is better.

Interesting google searches: Apple "macbook pro loud fans 2013" Lenovo "W530 fan noise intolerable"

In the end you can't (yet) stick a quad core CPU with a high end graphics card into a small chassis with a single cooling source, the technology just isn't there yet -- the thing will run hot, and as a result the lightweight airplane will periodically attempt to achieve lift off ;-)

The Dell will of course run hot as well when under load, but the cooling system is superior, the net effect being a quieter work environment (compiling from source is a noisy affair), which is far more important to me than anything the MBP offers.

Indeed, and dual fans to keep quad core CPU and GPU cool. MBP roasts under load, no? ;-)

I disagree here: It is cheaper, but you can't sell it 2-3 years later for anything other than a couple hundred bucks.

You can CL a used MBP for a considerable portion of it's purchase price 2-4 years later.

If you're unwilling to sell your old MBP, the Dell may very well be a better deal.

Please reread my post. There was a joke in there somewhere.

I missed, I was aiming at your parent

I disagree here: It is cheaper, but you can't sell it 2-3 years later for anything other than a couple hundred bucks. You can CL a used MBP for a considerable portion of its purchase price 2-4 years later.

If you're unwilling to sell your old MBP, the Dell may very well be a better deal.

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