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The Crimea was one idea, so was a semi-autonomous state out near Birobidzhan.

The problem with saying that it was paranoia that some people in the Jewish community were trying to undermine the Russian government, is that, especially after the fall of the USSR, right wing Jews have openly boasted about how they HAD been working to undermine the Russian government, and were using the Jewish community in the USSR to do so. The documentary record of this is extensive in not only Hebrew but English. On the one hand, they brag about how they subverted and undermined the government - then on the other hand, they talk about how crazy and paranoid the USSR was for thinking there were plots against them from the Jewish community.

Many Jewish people bragging about how they helped bring down the USSR kind of undermines these arguments about how the idea that some members of the Jewish community were working to subvert the government is crazy. Because nowadays, they openly admit it.

Of course, every rational and honest person was trying to undermine the Soviet government, because it was a repressive dictatorship. Sure everyone will brag about it nowadays much more than they really did back then - few really had balls to deal with KGB. Jews are no exception here.

Antisemitism was of the same nature and origin in Russia as everywhere else - 'evil' Jews were a good excuse for the rulers' own failure and incompetence.

Which statements are you referring to?

Links please? I'm Jewish and have never heard of this. At all.

There will be no links because you are talking with someone who has a disproportionate distaste for Jews. Look at the comment history.

I am pretty amazed that when people make ridiculous comments about history, sources are not required. Jews did not go through Russian pilot training only to get paid more money in the Israeli air force (comment history) nor did Jews have an organized resistance to the oppression they experience in Soviet Russia.

My comment was in response to this idea that Russians were crazy to think there were underground spy networks of right wing Jews in Russia. But right wing Jews openly boast of doing this. I generally come to this web site to read about B-tree algorithms and VC funding and have no desire spending too much time debating the USSR circa 1970. But anyone who is interested can Google "chabad underground" or "chabad underground russia" or "chaba underground ussr" for starters. As I said, these are not third parties, but actual Jewish participants bragging about these underground spy networks in the USSR in English - in documents and on Youtube. If you know Hebrew you can read and hear even more. I don't have too much interest in spycraft, but their open bragging after the collapse of the USSR belies the notion of the top poster that these spy networks did not exist.

As far as my comment history, anyone reading it can see this poster is full of nonsense as I never discuss the Russian air force in any respect. As far as "distaste for Jews", the reader can play a mental game if they wish - again one can read my comment history and conjure up a mental image of a theoretical Jewish person in the US. They are assimilated, secular, educated, intellectual, deracinated, grandparents were labor organizers, older cousin has stories about the Hashomer Hatzair kibbutz they once lived at. Then conjure up a mental image of an orthodox/ultra-orthodox, religious, insular, Zionist, anti-communist Jew. THEN conjure up an image of a fundamentalist, evangelical, religious, insular, and Zionist, anti-communist Christian goy. I have met people in my life who could be categorized in any of these three categories. I would say I enjoyed being with one of those types of people, and had a distaste for the other two. The above post says I have a "distaste for Jews". I leave it as an exercise to the reader which one of these types I enjoy spending time with, and which two I have a distaste for.

I do not mean to imply that you came to this site to spew racist hatred. I have lurked quite some time and have read your previous comments, which offer an alternative view of history. I only wish to see proof (provided by you) of this alternative history. If you can provide me with actual evidence, I will gladly take some of my time to analyze it and even ask someone I know who speaks hebrew to translate.

One thing I want to bring to your attention, which specifically bothered me, is that an oppressed minority living in an oppressive land who has members that try to resist is not proof in itself of a hypocrisy of the entire minority, nor is it some kind of evidence that the oppression was just.

My European family was murdered in Poland. I was raised in an area surrounded by racists and bigots. I was beaten up as a child for no other reason than my race (at the age of 5). My neighbor and friend growing up (of German decent) would tell me how Jews were intrinsically thieves, though I was different, and how Hitler was a genius.

I do have personal reasons to be critical of your words. Your reasoning, however, is not valid. Right wing Jews can openly talk about anything they like. People tend to bend history when they get the short end of the stick. It is a coping mechanism. Please don't judge an entire people based on flimsy evidence. I like B trees too.

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