Comment by OGinparadise | Hacker News Reader

Comment by OGinparadise | Hacker News Reader

These are paid services but before I'd jump in, Google would have to guarantee this service for say 5 years, with updates and no catch (like increasing the price by 5000% to force you out.) Microsoft is a lot of things, but one they do good is guaranteed, long term, support for their products. At least for the core ones. For example they are still supporting Windows XP, so when Coca Cola signs at the dotted line they know that the hundreds of millions they spend on developing their specific apps, they will serve them for at least 10 years. That's worth extra to me and apparently to many others.

Going all in in Google an then Google deciding that their latest experiment is not worth their time is painful. It will most likely ruin the start-up. This may seem as an emotional knee-jerk reaction to Reader, but it's the reality. You cannot throw 100 things against the wall, ask people to invest time and money on them and then drop all but a few of them. Trust is gone, fool me once and all...

As part of their pricing switch a few years ago, Google committed to a 3 year depcreation period for App Engine: http://googleappengine.blogspot.com/2011/05/year-ahead-for-g...

"For App Engine, leaving Preview will include providing all paid users a 99.95% uptime service level agreement, operational and developer support, billing via invoice, a new Terms of Service agreement geared towards businesses, and a new, easier to understand usage-based pricing structure for App Engine that is in line with the value App Engine provides. It will also reaffirm our deprecation policy whereby we will support deprecated versions of product APIs for 3 years, allowing applications written to prior API specifications to continue to function."

A quick comparison of the TOS shows that Compute Engine doesn't have the same policy, but IANAL, so I could be missing something.

it looks like you get one year from announcement of deprecation: https://developers.google.com/compute/docs/terms (see 7.3)

Compute Engine also isn't really in the same realm of worry as App Engine, for some, at least. Most of what you're getting is immediately migrateable if it's going to be shut down, as opposed to app engine, where there are some migration paths to similar stacks, but no flip-a-switch path to converting existing code and data to a "standard" stack (at least from my understanding. I haven't tried compute engine).

My employer was on ae before the "big" price hike and after, and even to this day it is cheaper than the alternatives.

sure there was a couple of months of it being pricier nowhere near 5000% though.

Like when we ported to 2.7 from 2.5. Which was the biggest win in regards to reduction in cost AND latency.

another win was moving to ndb

and another win was offloading a lot of work to backends once they were introduced.

also, support is better than other vendors I've dealt with throughout the years including microsoft. An answer < 24 hours from someone who acts like they know whats going on is always appreciated.

My philosophy is to always have an exit strategy.

I'm far from Google's biggest fan but I wouldn't depend on any platform remaining over a 5 year period and would instead avoid lock in. For example Heroku in convenient for Rails but it should only be a few days to a couple of weeks to migrate to raw AWS any other hosting solution if required. This may mean limiting the use of the additional features and services integrated with Heroku.

Providing portability was possible (and I haven't looked into this service so it may not be simple) if I was a VC startup my bigger worry would be that Google would have too much information about my operations, scale and growth that I would prefer they didn't have until I chose to give it to them.

@josephlord ^ This man gets it.

Shame on you if you walk into something with half/no plan. Price should never be your single (or top) motivator for service selection; ESPECIALLY with something as crucial as a business dependency like IaaS.

I don't see how this platform can lock you in, they are just Linux VPSs, they are everywhere.

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