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Some Java frameworks are not doing that well on all tests. So it is not a fair generalization. As for PHP vs Java , it is not really the point of the discussion , since raw php is doing very well.

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The Java frameworks are generally doing very well (top quarter to top half), and the PHP frameworks are generally doing very poorly (bottom half). PHP-raw is doing well, but that's not heartening given how mature its frameworks should be (if we were talking about golang, I think that argument would be sound).

That's the point of PHP , you dont need a framework to do web development with PHP. PHP is merely a C Web dev DSL. Using a framework over a DSL makes no sense.

Of course it makes sense, because you're not writing C code - you're writing PHP.

A framework is simply a pre-packaged organization of your code. In the case of the mini php frameworks, they provide little more than a router.

I have worked on many projects - those with and without frameworks. I will choose code on a framework any day of the week.

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