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Wow.

I don't feel guilty for over-sleeping. I've worked out a life for myself where people don't care that I sleep until 11:00. I simply don't schedule meetings or appointments for the morning, or if there's absolutely one that can't be avoided, I go to bed early and set an alarm clock to wake up for it.

It is not being a sissy to know your limitations and preferences and to work around them. If you make a commitment to another person, you should keep it. But nobody is forcing you to make that commitment in the first place. Is it really impossible to schedule that meeting in the afternoon, or to not have it at all?

It's not the OPs place to say what sort of sleep habits other people should or should not have. If he finds them annoying, fine: don't work with them.

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I doubt he'd have a problem with you. His issue seems pretty clearly to be with people who do not keep their commitments. If you don't start your day before 11 then obviously don't accept meeting invites before that time and you are golden. Oh wait, you work at a company where 9:00 meetings are normative? I guess that job is a commitment too, isn't it?

That does not seem at all clear to me. To me, the clear meaning is that he is addressing everyone who isn't a morning person, and merely using the case of bad-faith promises as an example of their evils. Based on the article, it's hard to imagine he'd feel differently even if the person did not promise to be there at 9 a.m., because — in his words — "earning your life is supposed to be difficult" and anyone who doesn't "put in the work" is "lazy."

Maybe I read it differently than you, but I read the article as spurred by someone that was habitually late for meetings. More generally, excuse making. Not any particular sleep cycle.

When saying "If you make a commitment to another person, you should keep it." I see you as being in agreement with the post I just read.

I read the original article as a PSA. It was basically saying "this thing exists and you shouldn't feel bad if you have it." I don't see where it was making excuses.

If you recognize that this is a real problem, you can take steps to fix it. Things like shifting your schedule or regulating blue light. Not just "don't be lazy" or "get off Reddit", that sort of attitude doesn't help.

You should read the original post referenced, because this article greatly misrepresents what that person said.

The original referenced material doesn't talk about making excuses. He talks about managing a real physical condition so that you don't miss meetings and don't have to make excuses. It's about understanding that having that condition doesn't make you lazy or a lesser person.

<i>"But nobody is forcing you to make that commitment in the first place."</i>

The author's point is that many people with this "disorder" continue to make commitments they cannot keep. It is Jason Freedman who says "The one who can’t seem to consistently set the alarm clock for A.M. and not P.M. I know how it feels to be the undependable one."

If you are consciously aware of this, yet continue to make these commitments - then the author I believe argues you are a "lazy", "sissy."

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