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See my edit for the right way. I'm sorry the bloated fitness industry has inundated you with bad advice :(

It's highly ironic then, that you respond to a not-asking-for-money article on "how to get some basics off the ground" with advice to buy yet another "this time it's totally right, honest" book buy a guy who considers a quarterback more useful than me, Steven Hawking and probably you as well. And later in the thread you're starting to peddle miracle cure.

You don't have to buy the book - the same advice is given on the website you'll see if you search google for it. Or even do Stronglifts, which is the same kind of thing as Starting Strength (some people even consider it a ripoff) and it's free.

But don't go shooting the messenger because he's a bit of a meathead and turn people off to good advice as a result. That's just employing logical fallacy. Really, the benefits of weightlifting and eating properly are so great that if you tried it you wouldn't be surprised I'm so adamant about these programs. They literally prevent you from dying early.

Motivation is an issue for some people. I myself find it hard to get myself to go to the gym but I can much more easily do workouts at home. This is much better than nothing at all and I am working up the motivation to move on to the gym.

If motivation is youre problem try some of this stuff: http://www.gnc.com/product/index.jsp?productId=12553280

I could be completely depressed and sleep deprived, drink a scoop of that, and the ONLY thing I'll want to do is get in a squat rack and put some heavy shit in the air.

The problem I have with that is then I'm dependent on a drug to get myself to workout. Anything like what you linked is most likely not good for you on a regular basis. My problem is my mindset, which will take time and effort.

My overall point is that while these "scientific" workouts are not the best way to workout, people should at least do something instead of nothing, similar to what DanielStraight said. Then if they truly want better results, they should follow routines like yours.

That's more likely to be Pavlovian conditioning than any actual health effect. "ATP augmentor"?!

You're criticizing gimmicky crap and bloated industries and you post a "health supplement"?

The only reason I recommend that is it's the best pre-workout stimulant I've ever tried, and I've tried a few. YMMV but Jacked 3d with the DMAA ingredient is known in weightlifting circles as a miracle substance. Tear off the damn label if it bothers you.

Edit: http://www.leangains.com/2010/09/high-protein-recipes-and-ja... make sure not to get the "micro" stuff and instead look for the one with the DMAA in it

@ceejayoz literature on creatine is pretty sound, unless your diet provides enough creatine, supplementation is beneficial. Here's a literature review: http://examine.com/supplements/Creatine/

Apparently, that stuff is of questionable safety, as it contains DMAA:

http://www.fda.gov/ForConsumers/ConsumerUpdates/ucm347270.ht...

https://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/13/business/fda-issues-warni...

Take the recommended dose (one or two scoops) and you'll be fine. Overdose and your heart will stop. Same exact thing as any stimulant.

whatever you do don't listen to this guy.

careful with that stuff, and GNC in general. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/14/business/death-after-use-o...

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