It was suggested to me that I get a grasp of basic concepts before going there. I found it fairly easy to make a very very basic application with series of buttons that worked etc via objective c and the interface builder, but had no idea what I was doing when I hit code (which was the whole point of playing around). I have a better understanding of some coding basics now that I have done a small amount of python (Zed Shaw). Maybe it's time I went back to objective c - you've got me thinking... Thanks.