It's official: Fez 2 has been cancelled
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Fish asked on Twitter for people to please stop treating him like this a few months ago. It's only gotten worse since then. At this point, it's clear that this stuff is weighing on him pretty heavily. I don't think anyone deserves to be treated like this, regardless of how they handle their online presence. I mean, it's basically cyber-bullying at this point. I wish people would realize that there's another person on the other end of the line who is actually suffering because of their comments.
(Hoping to get this in before the Fish-bashing inevitably starts here as well.)
It requires only one insight - that what people say about you, what they think about you, is not reality.
Understand this deeply, and nobody will be able to insult you anymore. You'll realize that insults are all in your mind. You control your mind so - poof! There they go, the insults! They're as important as thinking about a cat sleeping on top of a dog. Just another thought of no particular consequence.
And yes, technically speaking we are just a collection of atoms in a specific configurations, but in the end that doesn't say anything meaningful about what makes us human or what makes us "tick". At the end of the day, we are a social species, hardwired to function by looking for approval from others, and especially from those we hold in high regard. That's what makes us tick, unless you're a sociopath.
If you are a passionate creator of games, I'm pretty sure that you care about what the games industry says about you. And saying "well, if the games industry treats you like shit that just means they're asshats" isn't helping. That's saying "oh, that thing you care about so much? That's bullshit!" Oh great, thanks, not only does the community surrounding the very thing I care about treat me in a way that makes me feel miserable, now I'm being told I'm a double idiot for caring about their opinion in the first place!
XKCD summed it up perfectly:
EDIT: This comment has nothing to do with Phil Fish. As someone that was bullied at school, my way of dealing with it was to follow the advice of nikster exactly. I am simply agreeing with the comment by nikster, as it worked for me. Bullying is despicable, but if it happens, one has to find ways of dealing with it. This is one way that worked for me.
Fish asked for people to stop saying shit about him all the time, because it had turned into a thing of its own rather than a response to something he says; a sport of "who can call him a shithead in the most colourful way." That is bullying, plain and simple - when it becomes disconnected from whatever provoked it in the first place and turns into a "fun" pastime for everyone except the person being bullied.
I want you to take a moment and think about what it actually meant when Fish did that: he essentially admits that he feels miserabe, that there's nothing he can do about it and he's at the mercy of those who treat him like shit. He's showing his place as an "omega" and looking for support form others, because that's what he needs the most at that moment. So what was the response? Well, turns out that we humans when faced with such a situation, in our infinite nobility, tend to decide to bully even more to show our domination. So what followed was the typical "well, if everyone is treating you like shit, you must have done something to deserve it" justification to kick Fish down even further. So instead of toning it down people start muckraking and looking for excuses to justify further bullying.
So a guy reaches out for support from others and gets kicked down even further. Aren't we nice people?
That's how this shit works, and it's the same mechanism as saying a woman is "asking for it" when being sexually assaulted or "must have done something to provoke him" when being abused by her spouse.
It's fucking bullshit, and that situation is not comparable to coming across a few assholes that you have to mentally fortify yourself against like you describe.
Fuck this "advice". That's just bystanders like you looking for an excuse to not intervene and shush their conscience.
If I was uncharitable I could easily construe your behaviour as being bullying. You attack, insult and tear down, offer no viable alternatives. At the end of the day your post is entirely negative. Funnily enough, not a million miles away from the behaviour that is upsetting you in the first place.
Because that's what's really going on in situations like this when nobody intervenes: people being afraid to stand up to the bully/the crowd, so they kick down the bullied instead.
In short though, really, I advocate the "thicker skin" advice. Even if the entire internet at large were able to quell the vast majority of criticisms towards Fish, that doesn't mean that they won't ever reoccur.
Also, despite what seems to be the opinion here, yes, it is a viable solution.
Also, the point is not to completely quell the criticisms towards Fish. In fact, legitimate criticisms are fine. It's the illogical bullying (negative comments for the sake of being negative) that needs to be reduced. Additionally, the goal should be to lower the levels of bullying to a degree where they bullied can actually handle the situation.
As I mentioned earlier, people can grow thicker skin but if the level of bullying is high and constant, that skin will be worn off. What bystanders should be doing is helping enough of a helping hand that Fish can recover and regrow some of that "thicker skin" that has been eroded away.
Since this point seems to be missed, "grow thicker skin" only for specific situations. In this case, which is very similar to long term bullying, it is advice that will not work because it has already failed as evidenced by Fish calling out for help (asking people to stop). As mentioned already, people need to take a look at reality and give advice that is applicable to the situation.
I think what you're not getting here is that it is possible that somebody simply can't "grow a thick skin". For those people, the only option isn't to grow a little tougher on the outside, but to become a little deader on the inside. And that is very, very sad. So they do anything to avoid either.
Some people can't help but care. The noble thing would be to respect that, be there for them and help them. One possible outcome being that they might end up feeling safe enough to accept a little thicker skin. Usually, though, it's really about moving on, letting time pass and finding a new comfort zone once the "source of terrible" has dried up.
As Byron Katie says: "I find that every time I fight reality, reality wins."Once you accept what is, new ways to move forward emerge almost instantly. As long as you're in the "I wish that never happened" or in the "Why has this happened to me" state, you're not going to do anything useful.
> At the end of the day, we are a social species, hardwired to function by looking for approval from others, and especially from those we hold in high regard. That's what makes us tick, unless you're a sociopath.
This is bullshit conjecture with some convenient nasty labeling ("sociopath") for anybody that doesn't fit your mold. It's not as hard-wired as you think. It's mostly software, a lot of it installed by our parents, all of it hackable.
I'm not saying that not caring about ones particular opinion makes you a sociopath - that's misinterpreting my words.
Saying that we are hardwired as a social species is not conjecture, it's what evidence from pretty much every bit of research on the subject shows - from psychological experiments to brainscans showing that feeling "pain" over not being treated nicely isn't a metaphor - it actually activates the same areas of the brain as things that physically hurt.
And how else would you explain that social isolation even works as a form of punishment/torture in the first place?
What is conjecture, as far as I can tell, is that we're "hardwired to function by looking for approval from others".
> it's what evidence from pretty much every bit of research on the subject shows - from psychological experiments to brainscans showing that feeling "pain" over not being treated nicely isn't a metaphor - it actually activates the same areas of the brain as things that physically hurt.
But that doesn't tell me the order of operations. Is it, a) Someone does something "not nice" (leaving aside whatever that specifically means) b) My senses take the event in c) My lizard-brain activates my pain center d) I have a bad emotional reaction
Or is it a) Someone does something "not nice" (leaving aside whatever that specifically means) b) My senses take the event in c) I have a bad emotional reaction d) My lizard-brain activates my pain center
?
In any case, happiness has to come from within.
I'm not the parent, but I certainly have been subject to intense bullying. I agree that "sticks and stones" is often a gross-oversimplification of actual bullying, but I also think it's a stretch to call this bullying.
>"If you are a passionate creator of games, I'm pretty sure that you care about what the games industry says about you."
His game was pretty unanimously well-received [0]. That's overwhelming validation as a "creator of games", there's little/no contention on that count.
All the disdain stems from his hypocritical persona. I expect a little honest self-reflection about this or even just a less itchy twitter finger could have a gone a long way toward helping that.
A strong reaction like this is normal if the topic "pushes your buttons" - and we all have buttons to push.
When you notice anger rising in you, take it as an opportunity to see where it's coming from. Don't prevent it (you can't, so no point trying) - but look at it, get to know it. It might take you over temporarily so you're unable to do that - that's fine. At some point you'll have calmed down and the opportunity is created.
What I wrote wasn't meant as advice; it was meant as the truth. If you're ready, you will see it. If you're not ready it probably won't help you at all, it will just seem like gibberish to you. I am not here to save anyone nor could I. Things unfold at their own speed. So I meant he's having this learning experience, the bigger the breakdown, the bigger the chance to see the truth.
But it also illustrates my point: it took me almost a decade of simply not being bullied and recovering in caring surroundings (fellow nerds with similar interests I met in college) before I was ready for these type of techniques.
To use an analogy to physical harm: saying a bullied person needs to have a thicker skin is the same as saying to "walk it off" when you have a broken leg - yeah, walking is important to get the leg working properly again, and strengthening it against future damage, but only once it's been healed somewhat. You can't start physical rehab earlier than that.
I pirated the game, played 10 minutes and then bought it, even though Fish may be a dick (I don't know if he is). I enjoyed the 10 minutes, so I should buy the game.
What I find more interesting are the folks who would take offense to the latter option as well. Choosing not to buy a game based on an opinion of the creator will quickly draw the ire of its fans.
The gaming community, more than any other I've been a part of has a tendency to confuse self-worth and identity with the products they buy.
I really like this quote, it puts solid words to a feeling I've had for some time.
COD vs BF is a great example. BF players' feeling of self-worth is largely based around not being COD players, or so it seems if you browse some forums.
http://www.gametrailers.com/full-episodes/roj70m/invisible-w...
And a great quote from the forums, that summarizes the situation pretty well:
>>Hey indies give us clickbait consolewar bullshit comments on demand, or else we'll publicly insult you on video. Meanwhile we'll throw softball questions at any developer working at a major 3rd party because we can't lose access to that previous ad revenue and review copies.
What a fucking joke.<<
I've seen Indiegame: The Movie and I will concede that out of the diverse characters displayed only McMillen came across as... psychologically stable. But I also thought every single one of them was intelligent, creative and I respect them for what they do. I cannot fathom what would prompt somebody with a megaphone like a recurring show on gametrailers to see a need to indulge in such a useless rant. All I saw in that video was somebody who tried very hard to force his own personality on others and then justify it by stooping to lower and lower levels of abuse. The term is overused, but: That's simply bullying in its plainest form. What a shame.
"Crass and hurtful behavior is not acceptable, in my opinion. Calling it "opinions" is denial." -Jonathan Blow https://twitter.com/Jonathan_Blow/status/361349255404863488
The comments are http://polytroncorporation.com/fez-ii-cancelled just make me sad.
Stuff like this is one the reason that the internet makes me sad. Instead of emotions being private, they spread like a virus; fortunately (I hope), phil has a lot of money to weather this.
He might be a bit of a dick, but so was Steve Jobs. Interesting how Jobs is reveared and yet Fish is despised—perhaps it has to do with the "maturity" of the respective "fan clubs".
That said, I definitely see how he could have triggered all the ire that is directed at him. He is as a previously commenter rightly noted, well known for engaging in similarly rude and insulting mouthing-off matches. So it's a bad combination of being able to dish out insults but not take any.
While I do have some sympathy for him, I tend to disassociate him from his work, simply because of his 'persona'.
I see the behavior of Fish and his detractor as symptoms of the same cocky entitlement and nastiness that is so terribly common gaming culture.
Fish's response was "Your games just suck." It was an incredibly rude response. A lot of people don't like Fish since that incident.
It doesn't help that he's incredibly sensitive and rude in his public comments (that is, he seems to be able to hand out criticism, but not accept it with grace.)
At maximum I would call this a social faux pas. Certainly not something deserving of bullying.
If I were asking the question, I would actually value that response. Here's someone who is willing to be honest with me instead of using generic political speak.
Edit: You say "bullying," but I would suggest that he maintains his online persona in such a way as to generate controversy. He comes off as very abrasive, even annoying, at times. I felt that he specifically tries to spur such reactions with his comments.
"Cry me a river, Fishy-boy. No one cared for FEZ, no one cares for FEZ II and no one cares for the cancellation."
"Get lost you waste of talent. Shitbag telling others to kill themselves, you dont deserve your fame, money or attention."
"Good. I hope that you never come back"
"You are an embarrassment."
"Good news. Stop making games please."
I've scrolled 0.1% down the page but I'll stop there.
Doesn't excuse this behaviour at all. But Phil Fish is not the only one who has to deal with it.
The problem is that emotions definitely come into this, and you have to consider that you just belittled an entire country's gaming industry with the comment without at least expounding on it. Blow's comment was much better, even though he pretty much said the same thing.
He probably means "I'll take all the FEZ money and I'm going home". It's the proverbial kid taking his ball home.