A Race to Save the Orange by Altering Its DNA
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Somewhat related is how they and much other modern agriculture is done - huge fields of exactly the same species only - a monoculture. This too makes it easy for invaders. The fix of multiple species being grown together is often shown to work, but makes the farming and harvesting considerably more complicated and expensive.
Recommended reading is Michael Pollan whose books and articles about food are great http://michaelpollan.com/articles/
It's not necessarily optional. Humans have cultivated the food supply through cross breeding since we have been around and even common foods aren't "natural" anymore. A lot of what we like to eat doesn't like to reproduce itself so we end up reproducing what we like to eat.
Your point was about reproduction. Sexual reproduction doesn't have to be out in the wild - it is offspring combining DNA from parents producing something a little different. It is possible to try and introduce genes to make out in the field reproduction more likely to happen, and also to work out some lab based way of reproduction. Admittedly it is way harder than making cuttings, but does bring benefits.
Life will find a way, and if it doesn't, science will.
Also chestnuts have yet to make a real comeback since being nearly wiped out in North America[1]. Although it's not a plant, people used to eat passenger pigeons quite a bit in the 19th century and science has yet to bring those back.
Edit: Banana: The Fate of the Fruit That Changed the World[2], is a great book on the history of the banana for anyone interested. Delves into the good and the bad of the banana and also how it shaped American Foreign Policy and Central/South America.
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_chestnut
[2] http://www.amazon.com/Banana-Fate-Fruit-Changed-World/dp/045...
How many other advances in agriculture are we going to sacrifice to appease these superstitions? (Not to mention similar superstitions of anti-vaccine activists, who are probably the same people in many cases.)
If almost every product was labelled as GMO then after a while consumers would not care. They would be able to make their own choices about "regular" versus GMO. Instead the fight has been to "trust us" and to keep GMO secret.
"Known to the State of California to cause cancer" is everywhere. No one bats an eyelid any more.
The fact that people will become apathetic to GMO labeling eventually doesn't mean that the industry won't fight to avoid the unwanted (and undeserved) stigma for now.
There is that paternalism again. It is not up to the producers of any product to decide if attention is undeserved. Consumers get to decide that. And yes some will be wrong etc. Shining a light and being truthful is the right way of doing things.
The hysteria is not against science - it is against paternalism hiding itself as "trust us because science". Science requires being open and honest.
You do not foster understanding, science, progress or freedom by hiding things.
from the wiki article [1]:
In 2006, the US Government sponsored an assessment of the scientific
literature on BPA. Thirty-eight experts in fields involved with bisphenol A
gathered in Chapel Hill, North Carolina to review several hundred studies on
BPA, many conducted by members of the group. At the end of the meeting, the
group issued the Chapel Hill Consensus Statement,[100] which stated BPA at
concentrations found in the human body is associated with organizational
changes in the prostate, breast, testis, mammary glands, body size, brain
structure and chemistry, and behavior of laboratory animals.[101]
The Chapel Hill Consensus Statement found that average levels in people are
above those that cause harm to many animals in laboratory experiments. They
noted that while BPA is not persistent in the environment or in humans,
biomonitoring surveys indicate that exposure is continuous, which is
problematic because acute animal exposure studies are used to estimate daily
human exposure to BPA, and no studies that had examined BPA pharmacokinetics
in animal models had followed continuous low-level exposures. They added
that measurement of BPA levels in serum and other body fluids suggests the
possibilities that BPA intake is much higher than accounted for, and/or that
BPA can bioaccumulate in some conditions (such as pregnancy).[100]
A 2008 report by the Center for the Evaluation of Risks to Human
Reproduction within the U.S. National Toxicology Program (NTP), which is
within the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences, reported the
results of its exhaustive review of the literature. Its conclusions,
expressed relative to current estimates of general population exposure
levels in the U.S., were the following:
and yet bpa is still used. So when we hear that monsanto pinky-swears their experiments, even when they contaminate neighboring fields, are super duper safe, or orange growers promise up and down that, well, their genetic modifications they introduced to prevent their business from being destroyed are absolutely positively safe (we promise!)... forgive me for being skeptical.Not to mention the freakout about labeling foods; if they weren't knowingly poisoning us, why exactly would corporations be so very afraid of properly labeling foods? Any reasonable adult should have his or her bullshit detector going off when they are told gmo is absolutely safe, but it's the end of the world if we tell people which foods have gmo ingredients so that they can choose what to eat.
We know that human health can be damaged by all sorts of different chemicals. That being established, the task at hand is identifying which are harmful (or usually in what quantities do they become harmful).
Meanwhile there is no persuasive evidence that any foods become harmful simple because they have been genetically modified. Completely different.
> if they weren't knowingly poisoning us, why exactly would corporations be so very afraid of properly labeling foods?
Perhaps precisely because of this hysteria surrounding GMO?
For the same reason that measles infections are on the rise? Because the public is largely ignorant and doesn't understand much about Science or genetic engineering and thus is easily influenced by Hollywood and celebrities who in their ignorance push their favorite environmental/medical causes (Jenny McCarthy).
See the wiki article for evidence published in medical journals that bpa harms human beings. There's plenty of evidence to say it should be banned, at bare minimum until long term studies at actual dosing levels have been performed.
Anyway, I agree it's hard to argue with "label the product and let the consumer decide." But I think the case could be made that it plays on people's unscientific views of what is and isn't healthy. As with "organic" or "locally sourced" there's nothing stopping companies that don't use GMOs from putting a "No GMO" label on their food. Some already do.
What was actually said was:
For adults, the Expert Panel has negligible concern for adverse reproductive
effects following exposures in the general population to Bisphenol A
you'll note that does not say "negligible concern" for adults, it says "negligible concern for adverse reproductive effects".And you know what was never studied? General safety for adults under actual dosing as experienced in reality. Further on down the same wiki article, just one of many concerns:
The authors found that higher bisphenol A levels were significantly
associated with heart disease, diabetes, and abnormally high levels of
certain liver enzymesAnyway, I think you nail the exact point I was trying to make: no studies have shown BPA to be dangerous in adults at the levels that are actually encountered in the environment. (There's little doubt that BPA is bad for you at doses orders of magnitude higher than those normally encountered, but that's true of a great many things.)
Because when you label something consumers assume it is bad for them. That's why we don't force companies to label things that aren't actually dangerous. See study from MIT on GMO labels: http://courantblogs.com/capitol-watch/gmo-labels-send-a-mess...
Species have been disappearing long before humans existed, there is nothing new here. We have always developed close cultural ties to what we eat, this made changes expensive. Hard to imagine a world without orange juice, bananas, plum fruit or a tasty tomato. Our ancestors lacked the tools to prevent losses. We have it and this only makes the loss more painful.
...and if I were a producer that discovered how to make a resistant orange by genetic engineering, I'd just do my best to spread the damn disease and wipe out natural oranges together with the competition, making more money to finance more genetic engineering research, hopefully doing more interesting stuff than pest resistance genes, like actually improving the flavor and nutrient profile of grown plants.
No, you'd be thrown in jail for bioterrorism. What you propose is seriously unethical, even if it weren't criminal. Furthermore, your attitude would convince much of the populace that people who promote GMO food are completely insane and unethical.
Throw in some Monsanto-style "you cannot plant the seeds" and you have a real problem.
Genetic manipulation will define the next major shift in human progress. Computers transformed inanimate things, giving them function and pseudo-life. DNA hacking will transform living things, allowing us to customize ourselves, our pets, our food, our plants, and entirely new forms of life.
Almost all fruits have problems, but solution is limiting non native plagues. Even if it's almost impossible. Like with bananas.
Remember that the puffy piece lay the facts so that you reach the conclusion that gene changes are the only way out. Earth is huge. Cheap exploitable manpower is diminishing.
As far as Im concerned, those folks who make their living growing oranges are responsible for their own outcomes.
I dont need oranges from them. And maybe I dont even want them at all. If the growers have become so incompetent as to not be able to grow them I wont miss them. (or the oranges).
Next it sounds like the growers are actively working on fixing the problem of a plague killing their oranges. Do you think they should be working faster or just that their isn't a problem in the first place? In the end I don't really understand your comment.
Also Im saying Im not dependent in any way on citrus farms. If they fail, its their own fault, and someone, in fact anyone could do better.
I guess when I think about it, a corporate citrus farm isnt much more than a hedge fund to me. Their crops dying are just a stock going down. "Oh the oranges are dying!"
They will be replaced. Oranges will be here long after we are gone.
SO, the rules of VC and SV dont apply to oranges, I assume my posts were downvoted because oranges are a "precious" resource, even though no other country in the world has problems growing them, so Im being downvoted (and HOPEFULLY hellbanned) for calling out a corrupt, piece of shit US food cartel that is committing ritual suicide in its own crops.
Oh "boo fucking hoo". Fact: No one needs OJ. Fact: The idiots that have pissed on their own crops are complaining about the fact they cant do their jobs. FACT: no one in silicon valley would have the fucking balls to complain when they cant run their own business but they feel sorry for pussy farmers who CANT RUN THEIR BUSINESS.
In fact if these farmers were SV startups they would be taken out and shot by their own parents and pushed into the bay in front of hungry sharks.
The entire worlds production of oranges is falling. And there is absolutely NOTHING the growers can do about it.
> and HOPEFULLY hellbanned
If you are an idiot only about oranges then fine (everyone has their sore spot). But if you are an idiot for other things too then don't come back.
Think of this as a practice session. What happens if a blight strikes one of the world's staples? Like rice, or corn? If that happens, you're talking starvation on a global scale, not just disrupting someone's breakfast routine. So acquiring the skills to defend/defeat something like this will be very important to the race.