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Why do i tend to think think that people should be proud of their accent,...in any case your problem was that you didn't know enough english and not your accent

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Yes! All these articles about English knowledge are incorrectly centred in the accent. Accents are not a problem! The problem is the language: the vocabulary, the grammar and the syntax. Of course, if the accent is so strong that nobody can't understand you, you'll be in trouble, but, in general, the main problem is not the accent, it's the knowledge of the language itself.

I wouldn't say "incorrectly centered" -- they're not referring specifically to the accent, they're just using it as a metronym for "all the things people who have a native language get wrong about a non-native language", a concept-cluster which doesn't really have a proper name of its own. Someone who says "where they doing" is usually referred to as having an "accent" in this sense.

This is it: bad grammar is not "accent." Not using (or overusing) the article "the" is bad grammar, for instance. And a bad pronuntiation is not accent, it is a mistake (there is a difference between hearing a French pronouncing "ze book" and another one saying "the book" but with difficulty; the former is making a mistake, the latter has an accent.

It's funny that you mention it - I would say that using "the", "a" and "an" might be the most difficult task for me when I try to speak English. I tried to learn the rules but it seems to me that there are so many rules with so many exceptions that I am unable to get it right - it feels overwhelming and I am never sure whether I used it right or not. I cannot grasp the concept intuitively. Any trick to overcome this would be greatly appreciated.

What's your native language? It's weird since all the languages I know have a form of the/a/an.

If you think it's hard in English, don't try to learn German then, grammatical cases are a pain in the butt.

My native language is Czech which is a Slavic language and we do have something similar to English articles. I think that sometimes it's more difficult to learn something that is kind of similar to what you are used to but not entirely the same - it gets really confusing.

Chinese Mandarin has no the/a/an, and I believe most languages from the Sino-Tibetan family do the same. It is normally clear in the context anyway so (surprisingly) doesn't even lead to any confusion. They do have 'measure words' which can be used in a similar sort of function to a/an, but they are a bit more abstract.

The indefinite article ("a" or "an") is either a "pick from a collection" word or a new information marker in English. The definite article ("the") is either a specifier or refers to something that has already been introduced (old information, if you will). Think of "the" in most cases as a sort of weakened version of "that", and it may help. It is a subtle distinction, and one which may quickly become intuitive to a native speaker, but not one that a native speaker can always explain when asked. (Europeans generally have less trouble, but definite and indefinite articles are a European areal feature.) It doesn't help at all that the rules are often deliberately broken in literature to force the reader into a scene (usually by using a definite article for a first introduction, as if you'd known about it all along).

A cat appeared on my back porch this morning. (New cat, no history at this point.) The cat then proceeded to shred the upholstery on every bit of furniture it could find. (We've already met the cat; using "a" in this sentence would introduce another cat.)

Of course John speaks a bit of Portuguese; he married a Portuguese woman. (We may have known John's wife for many years, but in this case she is merely one of a collection of Portuguese women. If we had used "the" in this sentence, it would imply that there is only one Portuguese woman in the world, or at least in the area, and that John married her.)

Sorry I did not answer...

I am not a native English speaker so I may not be the best teacher of those details to a person speaking a different mother tongue than mine...

It isn't just word choice or sentence construction. I have a hard time understanding co-workers that put the emphasis on the wrong syllable, for instance, even when they are speaking grammatical English. I would say it's just one person, but it seems to be a very common thing for people from south India to do this emphasis mixing.

Well they should be proud of their origin and heritage. But here is a story - I was studding telecommunications in the university. One of the things we learned while working with A29 (purely analogue switches from end to end) was that noise and latency were very important.

Latency was not a problem until it was below 100 ms then up to 500 ms it gradually decreased the quality of the conversation but not in significant way. Now at the 500ms mark something funny happened. The person thought that the other party had not heard what he said and begin repeating it while the beginning of the other person answer begin his phone. The comprehensiveness of the conversation decreased dramatically.

It was the same with noise - from a point on it was terrible. I think that accented speech could be considered as noise.

A friend of mine was doing project with Huawei a few years ago - the Chinese team was with strong accents and he was with very strong Eastern European too. They had trouble communicating in English.

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