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Wikipedia links to HN

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Some of these make perfect sense:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CoffeeScript links to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2037801 with the sentence "On December 24, 2010, Ashkenas announced the release of stable 1.0.0 to Hacker News, the site where the project was announced for the first time."

"80legs has been criticised by numerous site owners for its technology effectively acting as a Distributed Denial of Service attack and not obeying robots.txt." http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1056960 (which makes sense because the discussion includes site owners)

Others are questionable:

"While ZumoDrive encrypts transport of all content with 256-bit SSL, and stores that content encrypted on Amazon S3 servers, that content is still accessible to ZumoDrive administrators" It would seem that the direct link http://www.daemonology.net/blog/2010-03-11-zumodrive-rolls-a... is far more relevant than the comments https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1183308 (and many of the comments actually are opposed to the claim)

Keep in mind that HN comments are actually a fairly decent set of secondary sources: the discussion of expert-level commentators is exactly what Wikipedia wants to link to, rather than basing things off the first-hand claims.

Except that the quality of HN comments varies widely: not all commenters on HN are experts in the subjects they're writing about (and the people voting up a comment aren't necessarily experts either). A general reader following a link here from Wikipedia is not likely to be able to tell the difference between an expert and a non-expert. Thus, HN would make a much worse secondary source than something like an industry publication that has an editor and fact checkers (rare as these seem to be in our field today).

And in that case, a reader who does know the difference would hopefully edit the page to remove any secondary sources that aren't of good quality, such as links to HN comments that are flat-out incorrect.

And who identifies them as incorrect? Not the editor.. Wikipedia looks for expert opinion published in reliable outlets to avoid the problem of people enforcing their own point of view.

At least in theory.

HN comments are usually interesting, but lack any form of editorial control :)

> Not the editor..

You say this as if there's ever anyone else.

I, for example, comment regularly on HN and I know next to nothing.

I can report the same.

I've seen no shortage of uncontested bad and outright incorrect advice given on this site. We mustn't be so quick to trust the discussion here as perfect, especially given the growth over the past months.

Among them an article on Taskwarrior[1]. We are now an officially recognized authoritative source on procrastination. I don't think anyone could question that.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taskwarrior

I've been looking for something like this for a very long time. Anyone know of something like this with a GUI?

Not sure it qualifies as "something like this", but for Linux/GTK, GTG [1] comes to mind.

http://gtgnome.net/

Actually someone just reverted that reference.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Taskwarrior&diff=...

And there's one to news.ycombinator.net https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALinkSea...

Hacker News would not qualify as a reliable source on Wikipedia as it is an aggregator of user-submitted content without much oversight.

No, but many of these may be used in much the same way as why Wikipedia links to tons of Twitter pages even though it's 'an aggregator of user-submitted content without much oversight' - the users themselves confer the the reliability. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see a pg comment used as a source in the Paul Graham article.

But that's a primary source. Generally, use of primary sources on Wikipedia should be limited because primary sources are easily subject to abuse. For instance, even something as simple as a quote from X that "Y is great" can be problematic. Is that what X really thinks? Is there a quote from somewhere where X says "Y is not great?" Was X really in a position to evaluate Y? Wikipedia articles should generally be based on reliable secondary and tertiary sources.

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:PRIMARY#Primary.2C_s...]

From your link: "Wikipedia articles should be based on reliable, published secondary sources and, to a lesser extent, on tertiary sources and primary sources."

That suggests that Wikipedia treats primary sources on par with tertiary.

Someone should make an automated dmoz-like directory of wikipedia external links with thumbnails.

They should go to source links... Unless they're comments or text posts.

Top one on that list is "toilet paper orientation archive 1" lol.

...which is a talk page, without an actual article. And it's a very long discussion/argument.

I'm not sure a better example of wikipedia could be found.

The 'toilet paper orientation' article is still there, with over 100 notes/references.

Wikipedia is overrated as a resource. It is, like many crowd-sourced things, a social determination of importance and not an actual assessment.

However, as you'd expect, it's great for pop culture.

Out of curiosity: what's an actual assessment of importance, as opposed to a social determination of importance?

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