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Yeah, I'm getting the feeling that the OP has no idea of PHP frameworks (or anything that has happened with PHP in the last 5+ years for that matter), and prefers to throw the baby out with the bathwater because of this.

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To be fair, it's pretty hard to refactor existing spaghetti PHP in to any comprehensive framework, at least production systems within a company with deadlines and customers.

Is that something intrinsic to PHP? It's hard to refactor any code when you have no time allocated to maintenance.

I do think it's a bit harder in PHP, given the nature to which it allows for spaghetti code to happen in the first place. Certainly it's never easy in any platform, of course; I do think "bad" PHP is harder to refactor than "bad" other code. Just an opinion, of course.

Any particular reason? You can do fewer terrible things than you can do in Perl, C, C++, etc.

Indeed but it's ungodly easy to add composer, follow FIG standards and be on your merry way to refactoring. At some point if you keep it up it will be easy to transition into a good framework like Symfony.

I just refactored an old class hierarchical system where each class extended a random other one and all functions were called from a global parameter or $this-> so if I can do that, anyone can!

I was using PHP frameworks between 2007 and 2011. Have you been watching what has been happening with the Python-based frameworks in the past 10+ years?

Were you really? Because saying things like "There is package management in PHP but I never found any code bases in the wild" or getting excited by writing RESTful APIs paints another picture.

You've taken the wrong impression from those statements. Have a look at my CV if you wish.

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