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No, it's not released.

The release is imminent. Ubuntu is developed in the open, so you get to see candidate release images on the page linked.

Ubuntu is not released until the release is announced. If you're in doubt, expect to see an announcement on the ubuntu-announce mailing list, or its archive at https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/

Also see #ubuntu-release-party on Freenode. At the moment, the topic says "... No, it's not out yet | No, we don't have a set time for release"

(written as of Thu, 17 Oct 2013 10:55:59 +0000; obviously this post will become incorrect as soon as it actually is released)

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Now it's out.

[Edit] Actual release announcement: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2013-Octob...

This is the release. These aren't candidate release images. They're just likely waiting until 13:10 GMT to officially announce it. I believe 13.04 was released at 13:04 too.

Every time, these releases get later and later!

I wonder what they will do after 23.10 . :D

They'll be closed source by then so it won't matter.

"Ubuntu software is free. Always was, always will be." --http://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu/our-philosophy

From that page, it is clear that Ubuntu uses the FSF definition of "free" (and quotes it).

The suggestion that Ubuntu will be closed source in the future is FUD. Everything that Canonical ships in Ubuntu is open source with an open bug tracker and open version control.

(with the exception of proprietary drivers and Flash, etc, written outside the project, done for pragmatic reasons and optional with a clear option at installation time; this stuff has not increased but reduced in scope with things like nouveau available now).

Did anybody notice the zsync download links, next to the Torrent links?

Anybody have experience with zsync downloads? Is it supposed to update a previous 13.10 Beta ISO, or any previous ISO, e.g. the 13.04 release?

http://zsync.moria.org.uk/

Also, I wonder why they don't use magnet links instead of torrent files.

zsync can update any file, even an empty one (just rename it to the target file name). However, I am not sure how much you would actually save by using older ISOs.

> Ubuntu is developed in the open

Though mostly "open", but not developed entirely in the right free software / open source spirit of community involvement and upstream contributions.

Of course it's not developed 100% entirely in the open and with "spirit of community". Name one company that meets this standard.

Mozilla.

Mozilla's bugzilla and mailing lists are approved posts only, that's not very open.

Source? I don't recall jumping through any hoops to post on Bugzilla or mozilla.dev.platform, and I definitely have no relationship with Mozilla.

Approved as in the posts need to be OK'd by a mod before being shown. And yes, they do censor heavily, try posting a well reasoned complaint about australis for instance and watch your mail not get approved.

If the posts have to be approved by mods, they're not doing a very good job:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.apps.fir...

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/mozilla.dev.platform...

On another project I'm involved in, I've seen Google Groups decide that legitimate posts are spam. Not sure if that's what's happening here, but it's a possibility.

Firefox-dev is definitely moderated. I've experienced it recently.

Debian

It's not a company.

There is no "right" free software/open source spirit of community involvement. It begins and ends with the licenses used, full stop. Beyond that no one has any right to say how other people should run their projects. If they don't like it, they can fork it thanks to the licensing, but even when that happens it doesn't mean that the original maintainers were somehow less free software/open source.

"Beyond that no one has any right to say how other people should run their projects."

You have a right to say whatever you want.

Agree, this is probably premature. However the homepage does advertise 13.10 so it's probably imminent:

> Ubuntu Server 13.10 with OpenStack Havana, are you ready?

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