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Vegan and vegetarian always fascinated me why do they, or you if you are among them, seek out normal foods that should not fit their diet, such as lets say vegetarian hamburgers bacon etc.

Or even from the article why are they searching out quesadillas, cheese pizza, pancakes things that me seem to clearly not be vegan other than that they may have found a way to make remnants of them.

It just seems counter-cause to me.

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What makes a pancake inherently something 'not vegan'? The ethical concerns which led me to veganism in no way removed pancakes from my desired diet. As such, I make them on a regular basis.

Just because somebody doesn't eat meat doesn't mean they don't like the concept of the meal in general. I make vegan versions of tacos, hamburgers, chicken salad, and egg salad because I like everything else about the meal other than the animal product. If I can substitute the animal for a plant based alternative I can enjoy the meals I've always loved, why wouldn't I?

pancakes: milk and eggs is why i say it isn't vegan from the pictures the vegan pancakes are not what I would call pancakes and maybe there is another way to make them though

I can understand lets say tofu salad or tacos, things that the meat isnt really the ruling taste I do not understand tofu burgers, cheese pizza, quesadillas.

Thank you for your reasons though.

For pancakes, you can use soy/rice milk and substitute apple sauce for the eggs - this works in most baked foods also.

Did not know that :)

Before my wife went vegan, we never had milk/whole milk around the house and soy/rice/almond milk works in pancakes even when using eggs.

Many people are vegan due to ethical concerns. If I'm only vegan because I'm appalled at the livestock industry's treatment of animals, but not that I necessarily have a problem with eating meat, what then?

You can't say that _everyone_ is vegan and/or vegetarian for the same reasons. Some people try to eat organic 'free-range' meat because it's certified to not have the animals pumped full of chemicals, others because they want the animal to not be mistreated.

That said, why is it that you can't boycott and/or not eat something while eating a substitute? A (admittedly bad) analogy would be to boycott the RIAA by _not_ buying/listening to Britney Spears, but then buying/listening to a similar-sounding independent artist. You're saying that person is a 'poser' because they don't completely boycott anything that even _sounds_ like an RIAA-signed artist.

There's some pictures of vegan pancakes here, and to me, they appear indistinguishable from pancakes with animal products.

http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=22912210

Allergen free, gluten free, vegan pancakes

Vegetarian here, former meat eater. When I eat fake meats it's not because I want to pretend I'm eating meat, but because I like the taste or texture. I like to fry tofu in a frying pan and simmer it with kung pow sauce - that doesn't mean I wish it were chicken.

Products are labeled "mock chicken" or "veggie beef" to help in recipe substitution, too. It's a code that this form of processed veggie protein is suitable for recipes that call for ground beef, or taco meat, etc.

PS - when I first converted I loved Boca burgers because they tasted just like McDonalds burgers. Now I hat them... because they taste just like McDonalds burgers.

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