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> I do wish to go up for Django or RoR but I usually get put off by the amount of time I need to spend getting around both

Is this a joke?

If not I think it heavily reinforces my view of PHP developers and clueless & lazy.

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Why clueless and lazy? We know the strengths and weaknesses of PHP and other programming languages. Thing is, while we really do appreciate what others offer it's still easier / cheaper / better (choose whichever sounds good to you) to "import" good ideas from <insert language> than to change whole stack.

Clueless and lazy because the amount of time to "get your head around" django and python is so absurdly minimal for anyone who has done any web development at all. It is incredibly straightforward, and finding that "too much" pretty much disqualifies someone from being a competent developer.

I don't wish to take it personally but these kind of remarks make me furious. Should I build you something in Django if thats what it takes to show you? because I am sure I will. By getting my head around, I didn't necessarily meant I was too foolish to understand anything but I had my problems. There wasnt any default schema for urls, each route needed a new one, managing database and creating tables required a console based code generator, setting up django with apache required an effort, the abstraction of app vs website was quite peculiar, and some other issues I don't recall. Call it my ignorance, stupidity, daftness that I failed at so basic stuff but thats my side of the story.

App vs website is bizarre the first time you encounter it - in my mind it would have been better them calling "projects" "deployments". The first time I worked with django I developed my application/project inside-out.

But the second time, I didn't.

> Should I build you something in Django if thats what it takes to show you?

What the hell does it matter what I think?

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