Why should they be free to make their own decision about how they spend MY money?
Why should they be free to make their own decision about how they spend MY money?
That's a lot of questions, and few answers, of course. But I think considering these ideas through this lens may be useful. The concept of “my” money, “my” property, etc, is something we've agreed on. There's nothing that says there can't be more facets to that agreement. That is what we organize for. And ideas like this, and like welfare, etc, are ideas that are meant to raise well-being. People who do well tend to create, as well. And creation breeds wealth. So while the specific mechanism whereby we encourage this creation and well-being is something that's absolutely up for debate, it's your money only insofar as you're not trading it for a service. In this case, the service is, greater wealth for all.
Will it work? I don't know for sure. But experimentation seems like a pretty good way forward, rather than simply sitting on our hands in a world where we believe we can increase well-being, out of fear that maybe our money might be misused along the way. If VCs thought this way, a lot of companies wouldn't exist today.
In the rest of the world, the poor people vote for health care, welfare, and unemployment insurance. This is because they want that safety for themselves if something goes wrong. They recognize that these programs are largely insurance. They pay into them in the expectation that most of the time nothing goes wrong, and they're not getting their moneys worth.
But when something does go wrong, the insurance is there to help them. In that situation, they get far more out of it than they put in.
Their decision to pay insurance is a rational one, based on cost/benefit analysis. It's the same as your decision to buy life insurance, or fire insurance on your house. (Car insurance is usually mandated, so I'll ignore that...)
Sure, there are scammers. But the scammers of these programs are individuals. Their impact is limited. The scams done by corporations, and people with the right connections far outweigh the scams done by Joe Average on welfare.
In the US, the poor people vote for no health care, no welfare, and no unemployment benefits. They also vote for lower taxes on the rich (corporate, inheritance, etc.). They claim this attitude is because they don't want idiots on welfare spending MY money.
You might be well intentioned, but the rest of the world thinks your approach is crazy. Not "Gosh, that's crazy!". But "We, the jury, find the defendant not guilty by reason of mental defect".
The disparity between rich and poor in the US has grown enormously in the past 20 years. And it's all because the average joe has bought a line of horse twaddle about "independence" and "welfare mom living off of MY money".
The rich people who've sold you that crap are laughing all the way to the bank. And Joe Average is left wondering why he's doing everything he's told... and is still poorer than his parents.
I.e., the guy who drifts between jobs, getting fired every few months doesn't pay more for unemployment insurance than the guy who has been stably employed for the past 10 years.
The disparity between rich and poor in the US has grown enormously in the past 20 years. And it's all because the average joe has bought a line
Nope. The disparity in the US has moved more or less lockstep with the disparity in the rest of the world (with one exception in 1986 when a change in tax law caused income to be shifted from corporate to individual returns). If policy caused it, it's a policy that basically every nation has adopted.
http://www.scottwinship.com/1/post/2011/03/what-would-it-mea...
I have a hard time with this. If your monthly nut is $5k (mortgage, cars, kids, etc) what good is an $800/month basic income going to do for you when something goes wrong?
In fact, it's likely that most people will raise their standard of living by the amount of BI they get, so their net/net when something goes wrong will be exactly the same as if they didn't get BI in the first place.
If you're the type of person that would live below their means and save for the rainy day, BI is moot - you will be fine when something happens. If you're not that type of person, then you're just as screwed with or without BI.
[If it makes you feel better to say that the government forced you to do that, fine. If you want to talk about monopolies of violence, fine. But there's no way you can reasonably consider it your money once it's left your bank account, any more than money you paid to Amazon is still your money.]
So, if the government is going to give money to people who are in need, would you prefer it to be spent according to a top-down command economy, Soviet-style, or according to a market economy with maximum information at the edges?
Since you voted for a government that distributes welfare from your taxes, the most efficient, effective and humane method of distributing that welfare is to hand out cash with no strings attached. Any additional administration is simply a waste of money, with worse outcomes.
So you want to make the system optional? If so, how would it be different from somebody simply setting up a charity?
Your second statement is pretty bold. I am not necessarily disagreeing but nobody knows what the effects of a system like that would be because we've never tried it.
Then we started making employers pay people in no-strings-attached cash, and things got a lot better for everyone. Command economies aren't just terrible for nations, but for much smaller economic domains as well. Like company towns, or welfare systems.
At the same time, the "have nots" are not the same group of people either. I think many people rotting away in the ghetto, getting involved in gangs, would in a different sort of society be leaders of men, people of rank.
Taxes are what the geeks pay for the government to suppress the people who would otherwise be the "haves."
Does anybody know if this is still possible/prevalent these days with EBT/Link cards?
If you don't want to participate in a civil society, there are still places in this world where you can go and deal with everything on your own. Go.