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> Also, Kotlin already has kickass IDE support.

_Please_ try Ceylon IDE, and let us know where it's nonasskicking. We've worked very, very hard on it, and we think we have something really useful and usable, but of course we very much welcome feedback.

FTR, I personally pushed almost 240 klocs to this project over the past two years.

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For some of us, it comes down to whether we prefer Intellij or Eclipse. Having used both for a number of years, I prefer the former over the later (though for reasons that would be outside the scope of the Kotlin or Ceylon Plugins themselves).

Ah, OK, fair enough, well, Bastien and Matija have recently been making very good progress on the IntelliJ plugin for Ceylon, and since we expect to be able to reuse quite a bit of underlying code from the Eclipse plugin, we hope to something useful quite soon. Stay tuned :)

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