Thank you so much, kind American intelligence guy, for having the grace to not look at USA citizens emails, all the while not even mentioning foreigners, who should apparently just lie down and take it.
On the other hand, when the US spies on me, I am much more threatened, because nobody can protect me from the US. If the US turns against me (for instance, for supporting the Tea Party), declaring me part of a "violent organization", I'm in real trouble.
tl;dr compain about your own country spying on you, not other countries spying on you
I agree.
> turns "complain about your own country spying on you!" into "Don't do business with an American company if you care for legal protection/are not stupid".
I agree. As a US citizen, I was quite upset when my employer started mandating Gmail use, and this was before the Snowden leaks.
Foreign companies are obliged not to use US cloud services, just as US companies are obliged not to use Chinese ones.
That is all water under the bridge now. There is no going back.
So you are not actually rebutting anything I said.
Until multilateral treaties are passed dictating how one national jurisdiction will handle the data of another then every EU business using a US cloud service has just been using wishful thinking. And again, this was true even before Snowden.
It doesn't really matter if the US spies on you as long as the UK is your defender. The US doesn't have jurisdiction there.
This is all, really, a political issue. Ultimately, it is about political speech. Everything else you can simply encrypt and secure, and you should.
> If you are a citizen of the UK, Canada, New Zealand, or Australia, you may also be glad, because everything the NSA collects is by default shared with your government (the default classification is TS//SI//REL TO FVEY, or "release to five eyes", which are the aforementioned countries and the US).
I would be highly surprised if those agencies are _not_ allowed to "look" at our data, since they won't be breaking any "laws".
Fuck everything about finding loopholes and skating on the edge of what is legal. NSA has repeatedly lied so far, never apologied for it. A lie would come out and bam! exposed by Snowden's docs. It was spectacular to watch.
The bottom line is, I am more scared and afraid of our NSA than of the Chinese bogey men or "cyber warriors" out there. I have not seen anything but lies, trickery and dishonesty come out of their mouth. I think they are traitors and unpatriotic.
They are betraying fundamental principles this country is founded on. I can see how slimey mafia lawyers would want the laws re-interpreted to fit their clients' purposes ("well, it depends what 'is' is, your honor"), I don't want out government doing the same. It technically might be legal it doesn't mean it isn't shitty.