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Comment by vitalyny | Hacker News Reader

Yep. So far it was more like "Please please don't use Telegram. Please please use TextSecure.".

So you didn't understand the article here then? There's no shame on that, crypto is complex and requires study.

But please don't dismiss well written and well thought-out critiques like this one just because you didn't understand the arguments.

Talking down to people helps nobody. If I were a random potential user and read what you wrote, my reaction would not be polite, and I would probably feel polarized against your recommendation out of spite.

The problem isn't that potential users are lacking anything. It's that nobody on our side of the table has communicated clearly and succinctly. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6941007

I'm not talking down, it's clear that the commenter hadn't understood the article. And there really is no shame in that.

Further, your linked comment seems to be exactly what they're complaining about - Textmate good, Telegram bad. It doesn't explain why and why turns out to be quite hard to explain succinctly.

With all respect, crypto (and broken crypto) is wrt difficult to explain in a user friendly way to a lay person without just ignoring the technical details. Once you do that, it really is just "fuck telegram use snapchat", which doesn't help anyone... I am going to give it a bash tomorrow to try and write the article you are after. Good technical writing practice :)

What makes the Article here not sufficient from your perspective?

Oh, wow, and people complain about Telegram team's attitude. Don't be so vulnerable, please. Take the critics easy.

As for the article, it's well written, but most of the points had been answered in Telegram FAQ or comments on HN. And yet they come up again and again. Not all, most.

>> Oh, wow, and people complain about Telegram team's attitude. Don't be so vulnerable, please. Take the critics easy.

I'm not sure what you mean by this as I'm not the author, so you haven't criticised anything I've said.

>> As for the article, it's well written, but most of the points had been answered in Telegram FAQ or comments on HN. And yet they come up again and again. Not all, most.

Not adequately, hence the well written deconstruction by the post author.

I'm going to echo what I've seen in another post - you appear to be a Telegram cheerleader with a brand new account, are you associated with them at all?

I think Telegram "cheerleaders" are here because Telegram backer Pavel Durov (paveldurov on HN) is very well known in Russia. He is the founder of one of most popular social networks in Russia, vk.com. He is a (local?) celebrity and he has fans. Imagine Mark Zuckerberg backing Telegram.

> I'm going to echo what I've seen in another post - you appear to be a Telegram cheerleader with a brand new account, are you associated with them at all?

Discussions on HN about Telegram were mentioned on several Russian sites (e.g. [1]). No wonder that some persons decided to pitch in.

[1] http://www.siliconrus.com/2013/12/telegram-vs-hacker-news/ Approximate translation: "How experts on Hacker News laughed at Telegram."

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