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A business person trying to start a tech startup.... It's like a business person looking for musicians to start a band. This is beyond ridiculous. Either bring some skill to the table or go create a "business startup" and stop polluting the industry with yet another failed idea and even worse a "post mortem" of why it failed.

PS: This includes Marketing, Managers as well as the Business peanut gallery.

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Disagree.. tech startups needs a very good seller.. to hire employees, raise money, sell to customers. And developers are notoriously bad at selling!

Don't generalize. If anything sellers have drowned big tech companies with unwanted contracts, long term support of legacy products. You are driven by "making money" which is ultimate greed. Thanks but no thanks. I'm more than happy making one customer at a time happy then having you guys whore engineers out.

Sellers as the peanut gallery, should be kept in check.

I replied the same thing above: tech business are usually not about tech, they are empowered by tech. A company that uses phones to sell their products is not about "phones", they are about the product and the phone is just a tool. For me, the web was just a tool.

A lot of non-tech co-founders exist and they succeed, so certainly not absurd.

Exhibit A. Everything wrong about this perspective. Disassociation and genericness down to a "T". How's that formula working for you?!

Nah, troll harder next time.

If you can't hear and handle the truth, then you will persistently and consistently fell. Even if you generate profits, that is not the end all, be all marker of success. After all, Microsoft is ever increasing its profits, yet it is polluting the world with products that are barely innovating.

But please, keep thanking the complacent comments that do nothing to better your case.

Innovation without profit would be success, but building things people buy isn't success because it's not innovative? What?

Read and re-read. I never said "Innovation without profit would be success". Oh and in case you didn't understand the first part of this reply. Read and re-read again.

I'm not sure if that's a good analogy for your point. The success of a band often requires more than people that can play music well together

The Beatles had Brian Epstein for example (aka The Fifth Beatle)

Yes, but the first members are driven with higher goals then just "Starting a business". A business person is driven with the intention of making money. If it were otherwise, they'd learn a trade/skill.

My vision was to get rid of lame managers. Certainly a useful vision.

A cube created to make money is different from a cube created for bettering cubes or advancing cube making. Do you get my point? Your motivations are not high enough. What you claim is your intention is not what your actions say.

I have to disagree there is more to a business then a product.

Somebody has to find customers, make sure there is a way to accept their money, ...

Yes, but sellers, business and marketing need to be driven by higher purpose then just "making more cash". We all like to make money, but that should not be the priority. Quality will eventually bring in money.

I love the Monkees.

I love The Beatles.

I think the Monkees fit the bill of a "pop band manufactured by a business person" more than the Beatles do.

And they're better.

A subjective comment. "Better". Their music has done nothing to move our species' art forward. If you are just going to release the same stuff as another band then you are stagnating evolution, move to the side!

Don't compare the two. The Beatles have ushered in new song writing, band lineup, tone setup and lyrical prowess. Incomparable. Do you even use your ears, or are you just regurgitating?

No - I'm being provocative. Happy New Year!

:) Happy New Years!

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