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Yes, I agree - the ruby project should always ship the most secure ruby possible, all the time.

Would you rather have a ruby-core of honest, hardworking developers who prefer to "delegate the task to other people" who are experts in security - because they admit their own weaknesses, or a ruby-core of arrogant developers who overstep their area of expertise just to try and deliver your "most secure ruby possible" - but more than likely worsening security?

It sounds to me like they're doing the most responsible thing they possibly can given the circumstances. If you or anyone else is in a position to do better, then by all means, step up and bless the ruby world with your supreme intellect.

admitting weakness + asking for help != dodging responsibility

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Let us present a third possibility: Maybe they shouldn't have shipped a TLS client if they weren't prepared to take responsibility for how it was configured.

True, and by that same logic maybe anyone using ruby's TLS client shouldn't ship anything if they aren't prepared to take responsibility for how it's configured (since the default configuration can be overridden at any point from OpenSSL on up).

Sure, any consumer of this API really should fix it themselves to have a secure configuration. But I submit that basically none of them are. An API where almost everyone who uses it wrong is not a good API. When the consequence of using it wrong is poor security, that's a dangerous API.

Knowingly shipping dangerous APIs is irresponsible.

OpenSSL is a god damned shitshow, no questions from me, it's bad, it's dangerous, it's irresponsible.

But they shipped something based on OpenSSL, and now they're making a deliberate decision not to act to protect their users. That's not cool, and that's unacceptable to me. If I actually used Ruby, this would make me reconsider that.

Importantly, every layer in the stack is responsible for it's own security. A consumer of this API should be making sure that it's optimally configured and configure it differently where it's not. Any project that isn't doing that should have security reports sent to it to tell it to do that and if they refuse they are guilty of the same sort of negligence as ruby core.

However the fact that other people should also be claiming responsibility for their own security does not absolve ruby of it's own responsibilities.

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