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Comment by valtih1978 | Hacker News Reader

The nazi lesson is more important in the face of processes which happens today, on our eyes in Poland, in Baltic states and Ukrane (do you know that Nazi penetrate the official power in Ukrane, what would western countires do if somebody seized the official buildings or even attacked a policeman?).

Today, Polish nazi do destroy the monument of the soviet solders, who liberated them, http://ru-facts.com/news/view/31587.html

They do it on the formerly Deutsch land, that was generously gifted to the polish people by "the bloody dictator, Stailn", after Polish nationalists have siezed the western part of Soviet Union in 1920 and collaborated with Hitler to start WWII attacking the Checkoslovakia USSR allies in 1938.

The burgeose-democratic Poland does not deserve being an independent country. Independent, it turns immediately into a nazi regime. Nazi hate Russians, hate communism. The modern Poland is a nazi country, as usually (american, capitalist puppet. Capitalists do raise the nazi to defend the capitalism from communists, not only in Poland but everywhere in the Europe and the Latin America also).

> Today, Polish nazi do destroy the monument of the soviet solders, who liberated them, http://ru-facts.com/news/view/31587.html

You mean the Soviet soldiers that invaded Poland in 1939, killed 20,000 of its politicians, lawyers, doctors, scientists, artists, clergy, etc, then rolled through again 4 years later only to stay as a way to prop up the communist regime for the next 45 years?

I assure you, "Polish nazis" are not the only ones who have a problem with what Soviet soldiers and officers did, nor do we care for the hundreds of such monuments spread all over Poland.

In 1939 SU "invated the Poland" is a complete nazi nonsense. SU has invateded its own territory, siezed earlier by the fascist Poland, after the polish government ceased to exist. So, it is hard to tell what you are talking about at all. Returning your territories from criminals is a right thing to do, especially in order to save the territory and people from the Gernam Nazi criminals. Stalin did the only right thing.

> killed 20,000 of its politicians, lawyers, doctors, scientists, artists, clergy, etc,

I do not know what you are talking about. It seems to be the nazi nonsense, similar to your first sentence.

Please do not abuse words like nazi and do not promote Russian propaganda here, do you argue with a mass murder that was confirmed to be done by Russians ? Or is it also some 'nazi' propaganda ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre

I expected when you come up with this piece of Goebbels propaganda in order to justify your nazi wars. The very article you refer confirms that we have a piece of Goebbels propaganda. The polish officers, arrested by Soviet Union, have nothing to do with your "killed 20,000 of its politicians, lawyers, doctors, scientists, artists, clergy, etc" In fact, all politicians, lawyers, doctors, scientists, artists, clergy, and etc. were fingting in the red army, against nazi. The officers that you are referring now, left in Katyn, were killed by Nazi. This atrocity was used by Goebbels to quarrel the Soviet and polish people in 1943, when it became apparent that germans are defeating and the truth will resurface. They were bonded by german ropes and killid from the german guns by german bullets. The fact that burgeose Russian governemnt manufactures documents to support this Goebbels lie cannot deny the evidence. Neither, it cannot be used to justify the fascist behaviour of polish burgeose (i.e. predatorish) policies. This is what you try to do: you use german Nazi propaganda to deny the truth and justify your crimes.

Polish predatroish policies?

Do you mean that the attack of the Soviets by Poland in 1920, when the Western Ukrane was seized by polish fascists, and dividing the Chekoslovakia with Hitler in 1938, inflaming the WWII, was the act of piece? Or, you just deny these facts?

I don't know that much about Katyn, but Gorbachev and Yeltsin both admitted to this, right? There's no doubt about the documents that they released to the Poles confirming the Soviet orders? What are you talking about?

> There's no doubt about the documents that they released to the Poles confirming the Soviet orders?

Are you so brainwashed that you cannot even read? How there cannot be doubt after http://katynmassakern.blogspot.com/2010/07/katyn-ilyukhins-v... and me talking "the fact that burgeose Russian governemnt manufactures documents to support this Goebbels lie cannot deny the evidence". Do you think that I will believe that those documents happened to be stored in the Yeltsin's personal safe, when he organized the trial against the Communist Party, http://katynmassakern.blogspot.com/2011/01/katyn-mysterious-...? Do you mean that there was nothing more to store in the "closed package no. 1" (google it) in the whole 1000-year Russian history than the "Katyn affair"? What do you think I mean by "burgeose Russian governemnt manufactures documents"? Do you think I mean that _there is no doubt_? Are you crazy?

It would be interesting to investigate what happened in the Western Ukrane in 1941. But, instead of investigation, you demand the russians to be balmed guilty and hide the reason why the Polish intelligence appeared on the Soviet territory in the first place.

> I do not know what you are talking about.

Search for Katyn massacre.

Looking at your tone, you are either very indoctrinated and full of complexes OR it's just a provocation/joke.

I prefer to think it's a second one.

Look for manufacturing consent and Noam Chomsky to understand why the facts that I tell seem outlandish to you. He speaks right about indoctrination, the indoctrination that turns white into black and vice-versa.

It says about "landowners, saboteurs, factory owners, lawyers, officials and priests". The same cleanup was done in the Soviet Union 10 years earlier. It is class struggle. There is nothing national in this question. 40 years later, in the 199x, this class of "intelligent people" killed much more workers in their capitalism restoration. You cannot justify your fascism/nacism by the class war conducted.

ah! I knew you were joking!

Sorry for giving you space for a reply ;)

When you are telling truth it is better to make it a joke. But, truth is the best joke itself, sometimes.

> SU has invateded its own territory, siezed earlier by the fascist Poland, after the polish government ceased to exist.

This territory was agreed upon in the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact, so how could the SU move to save territory after the Polish government fell, if it had already agreed to split it up before it fell?

Also, if you say that it's the Soviet Union's territory, why was a large part of it returned after WWII?

You is a fascist propaganda. At first, Poland was eager to sign the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German–Polish_Non-Aggression_P... in 1934 -- watch the photo (Hitler is in power since 1933). June 1939 absolutely nazi germany have signed the pact with Baltic states. Soviet Union did that later, in August 1939. So, who is the real Nazi aggressor? Why do you poke the Molotov-Ribbentrop all the time? Because you are try to conceal the inconvenient truth.

Particularly, the border between USSR and Poland was demarked not by Hitler but by _European democracies (google: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curzon_Line)_. The Molotov-Ribbentrop was innocent, it reclaimed the lands siezed by fascist Poland earlier. In fact SU reclamed that even after the Polish government ceased to exist, to minimize the boold. Only criminals can say that restoring the justice with minimal viktims is a terrible crime act. You is a fascist criminal. Stallin was the last European leader to pack with Hitler. You have forced Stalin to sign the piece treaty with your ally, Hitler.

Communists are the primary enemy of fascism. Fascists were invented in 20-st century to counteract the communism. You felt better with Hitler than with Russian comrades. That is why you askribe your crimes to the others. All what you say is a manipulating hypocracy.

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