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Thanks for being patronizing, however I grew up in the country outside of (coincidentally) Philadelphia and understand owning and driving automobiles is necessary e.g. when you live on a farm. I don't think anyone would ever be against that considering there are no other options. It was pretty clear that I was talking about cities, and why would you not want your environment to be beautiful and healthy?

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I would love for my environment to be pretty. Thanks for asking.

The only reason I replied to you at all was that I get concerned when I see people present aesthetic arguments that don't seem very well thought-out. Because it's not that we have a different definition of pretty. It's much more that I'm willing to see the ugliness and think of how far we've come from island natives having a life span of 33 and you're more likely to think of how much the view would be better without all the concrete in the way.

Well why can't we go further? We have the technology for self-driving cars, and public transportation that doesn't suck, but for a multitude of reasons we don't utilize this. And beautiful living spaces really is a superficial reason to want cars to go away -- definitely secondary to (if you reread my OP) the financial, environmental, and mental burdens of driving, as well as the countless deaths caused by drivers every year.

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