Until then, all is speculation.
Until then, all is speculation.
Not at all. A "violation of physics", by which I assume you mean a discrepancy between our picture of the universe and the real universe as revealed in experiment, only tells us that our model is wrong.
There have been any number of "violations of physics" over the decades. We believed that a luminiferous ether served as a medium for light waves -- wrong. We believed that neutrinos didn't have mass -- wrong. We believed that all mass/energy was accounted for by the descriptions in the Standard Model -- very wrong (only 4% is so described, the rest is dark matter and dark energy, with no present explanation).
The simplest explanation for these discrepancies, consistent with lex parsimoniae or "Occam's razor" is that our model isn't good enough and needs revision, not that the universe is a simulation.
It's equally logical (and not very logical at all) to argue that a perfectly running universe, with no anomalies, would constitute evidence for a simulation, on the ground that any self-respecting superbeing able to craft an entire universe, would surely test his code before launching it.
He's just starting a conversation, and while I wouldn't advocate handing out participation ribbons, you're just trashing someone that had a thought and expressed it--you and gfodor are buddying up to one another over how worthless that thought is.
Spare us your revelry.
I'm as big a fan as a dirty flame war as anyone. I find complaints over HN's critical culture to be tiring and self-defeating.
But if you're going to be negative, don't give each other high fives about it.
Edit: I suppose this is directed more at you, lutusp, because gfodor seems to be posting criticism in earnest.
> ... you're just trashing someone that had a thought and expressed it ...
Indeed, that's what I did, but it was because of what was expressed, not the fact of its expression.
Surely it has by now occurred to you that you're defending this person's right to say whatever he chooses, while denying me the same right? Or did that escape your attention?
> Oh, get over yourselves, both of you.
Under the circumstances, it's time for you to get over yourself. The OP's post, and my reply, are perfectly symmetrical -- one demands the other.
>>Under the circumstances, it's time for you to get over yourself. The OP's post, and my reply, are perfectly symmetrical -- one demands the other.
Perfect. Now for an actual rebuttal...
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>Surely it has by now occurred to you that you're defending this person's right to say whatever he chooses, while denying me the same right?
I didn't say you shouldn't say anything, I'm saying you're an asshole for being proud of having said anything.
Your original response regarding what constitutes a violation of physics was fine. Your response to gfodor was simple gloating.
Congratulations on abandoning the moral high ground, rocket scientist. You just demolished your own position.
How did you get to your present age without learning about the risk of fatal self-reference?
Goodnight.
But why would we jump immediately to the universe being a simulation?