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The minute you stop thinking about "they" and start thinking about "us", there is a chance. If you just walk around thinking and knowing things are sour but are not going to do anything about it - guess what. Nothing is going to change. But if you take the lead, sell your ideas, execute upon the change, you will see daylight one day.

Most engineers never exit the "whining" phase though. But those who do, make a truly good mate to work with.

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Thinking about 'us' is definitely the best thing to do and it is definitely a failing of (some) young but talented programmers to develop a certain arrogance which only puts others off.

However, at some point it will become obvious that you can/can't effect change in a meaningful timeframe. And if the latter, you should move on.

The sad truth is that often the bad type of programmers the author describes are unwilling to learn, and are especially reluctant to take lessons from a new/young colleague.

it's easier to just quit and look for a better job. it's the engineer's solution. what you suggest is a challenge to improve your soft skills. it's probably worth it but it's not for everyone.

I think a compromise is more constructive: fix as much as you can in a given period, and then find a better job. Apparently a 4 month programming stint doesn't lookt that good in a CV.

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