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"We set up riots over there": Who? How?

I don't know much about this conflict, but neither Russia nor the Ukraine are democracies in the Western sense of the word. I've been to Ukraine once. It felt like the Wild West only without the code of honor you see in the movies.

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Why are they supposed to adhere to gold standard of western democracy? America seriously needs a reality check. Why such supreme belief in american(western) way of liberty. Rest of the world doesnt kill innocents in drones, guantanamo, libya, iraq ...

No, they kill them with paramilitary snipers firing into crowds of demonstrators.

Last time I checked I didn't see any democracy in the Western sense of the word in the western world. Except for Switzerland maybe

Examples:

Tapping phones without warrant

Searching homes without without warrant

A policy of guilty until proven innocent

Torture

Obviously we have much to live up to. Democracy has always been more ideal than reality. But societies differ in their place along a "democracy" spectrum, and Russia and the Ukraine are much farther from that ideal than the west.

I know, but historically compared there were times when the above 4 "non-democratic behaviors" didn't occur (or they occurred less frequently or at least we didn't know).

I see a tendency away from democracy which in my eyes destroys any credibility of the West to spearhead a democratic movement.

The "we" would be the CIA. Has their signature all over it.

If so, they haven't shown this much competence in a long while. Successfully toppling a foreign government? I'm impressed. Although I'm not sure this level of success is the CIA's signature...

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