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It's true (apple fanboy here, I remember it well). He was adamantly against them. If you look around, he did a whole keynote where he tried to present web apps as just as good as native apps-- it was ridiculous.

He'd been dead wrong before as well: just a few years before the iphone, when people wanted to see an ipod with video capability, he said nobody would ever want to watch video on a mobile device.

It really bugs me that apple makes these "nobody would ever want" proclamations and then reverses itself without saying, "we goofed". The next one coming is 5+ inch screens for the iphone. They'll make no mention of the fact that they criticized large screen phones before ("look, my thumb goes from corner to corner!"). Oh well.

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> It really bugs me that apple makes these "nobody would ever want" proclamations and then reverses itself without saying, "we goofed".

Apple doesn't like to tell people what it's doing. So if they say "We're not doing X", it might mean they're not doing it. Or, it might mean that they are doing it, and don't want anybody to know yet.

With the iPod Video, they ixnayed it in public up to a few weeks before they released it.

In the case of the App Store, it seems pretty obvious that Apple intended to let developers write apps for it, but the APIs weren't stable enough to have 3rd party developer depend on them. So they stalled for a year, depending on superior hardware to keep momentum going until the OS settled down some.

You're right.

I see that differently. Designer Steve didn't want to make things that didn't work nicely, and salesman Steve always sold what he had.

If the original iPhone had supported apps, it probably would have run them a bit better than most most other phones of the time, but it still would have run them badly.

[IIRC, there also was the issue that time to market meant there was no SDK at the time; it wasn't even clear how apps would be kept separate from the OS. Even if there were a clear idea about it, I somewhat doubt Steve would have allowed apps on version 1. The risk of apps interfering with the user experience on that hardware was just too great]

Whatever the reason(s), there was no support for apps at release. So, salesman Steve sold the idea that users wouldn't want apps, just like he sold the idea that users wouldn't want to look video on their iPod. And both were, when he said it, not untrue for the average consumer (that video would have been a low-contrast postage stamp that you would have to transfer to your iPod at home. Sure, some people would do that, but it wasn't ready for the masses yet). Nowadays, he would probably say nobody wants Google Glass, too.

Are you sure about that? Sounds like something Apple would say about a product they don't offer, right up until they offer it. Just like they mocked non-iPad sized tablets until they released the iPad Air.

It doesn't mean Apple or Jobs believed any of it, just that they'd say anything to pretend competitors were clueless. It seems very un-Apple to say "yes, X feature is a good idea, our competitors have it but we weren't able to deliver it for this product cycle".

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