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Well, UX depends greatly in the kind of game you are making. I consider the term "RPG" as a super genre (super class). In it you have WRPG's, JRPG's, Action RPG's dungeon cralwers, MMO's, etc. Depending on the the game, the concept of party and it's associated mechanics will change.

You also have to keep in mind that in some games a good UX may not be desired. While I believe an RPG's UX should be good (messing around with menus and inventory shouldn't be a chore), see the classic Resident Evil games.

One of the goals of the games is to evoke an atmosphere of uncertainty, fear and powerlessness. See how the health indicator is not a concrete value (75% life, for example) but an approximation (yellow life. You may know yellow means it's in [30-70]%, but you don't know the exact value.) This helps achieve the desired emotion while being, according to the traditional UI principles, a bad UI. It's not transparent enough for the user.

I consider the game's controls to be part of the UI. It's by using the controller and how the character moves the you interact with the game. MAny people dislike the RE's "tank-controls"[1], but I find it was a conscious and deliberate choice by the game designers to adopt this type of control. It's harder to control the character but help in achieving the desired emotions.

So, to answer you question... I don't know. But it's harder to evaluate game's UX's because it can't be evaluated in the same way we evaluate traditional UX's. Sometimes, in games, it's good to have bad UX's.

[1] http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TankControls

Right, I should be more specific but I was looking at party control / status / inventory management.

Ok, I know I've ranted a bit. First, what do you want? Just good examples, or you're thinking of making a game andwant some good examples?

Now, for inventory. You can have the party inventory, like in JRPGS or the character inventory like in Baldur's Gate. Personally I prefer the party inventory because there is a lot less fiddly. But the other kind is more "realistic". There is one game that mixed the two in a way that I enjoyed. You have a party inventory but each character has "slots" where you can put items to be used in battle. But in this case you don't have the whole inventory available.

Then you can have an unlimited inventory, like in JRPGS, or a limited one. You can limit it in two ways: Limited space like in Diablo, or limited weigth capacity like in Skyrim. In my opinion you should never mix them both. It's too fiddly, and too frustrating. In limited space you also can have item of diferent sizes. This is fun because inventory menagement becomes a sort of minigame (again, Diablo makes this pretty well).

With party control it's a lot more complicated. If the game is turn based or if there is the option to pause the action, the player should have total control of all the mambers of the party. If it's all real time, there should be an option to ssue orders. One game that does this well is Mount and Blade. You can issue orders to your troops including, IIRC, you could issue orders to the different kinds of troops. I feel this would be a nice addition to Skyrim, for example.

About status, I really liked what Final Fantasy VII did for status effects. If a character was nead death he would appear hunched, if confused he would have stars swirling around his's head and if poisoned he would glow in green. If he were under all these status effects, we would show all three effects and they didn't overlap or be in conflict with each other.

But, as I said in the previous post, it still depends on your objectives in the game. In pokemon you have direct control over your pokemons but I would like to see a similar game where you don't have direct control and you have to train their AI.

>inventory management

That would be Lands of Lore. A single inventory for all the party members.

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