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As I remember AppCode is a native (non-java) app, right? CLion requires Java/JDK which is a huge deal breaker for me, for things like IDE.

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Seems a bit silly to exclude a project just because it's written in Java.

AppCode is a java app as well - it's built on the IntelliJ platform which is java based.

Curious why the requiring a Java runtime env for the IDE is a deal breaker?

No matter how time passes and how powerful desktop I use - java based software are just slow and bloat (especially IDEs). Even for some Java related work, I preferred to use JCreator (which is the only Java IDE purely written in C++ I believe).

I would say that's more down to IDE bloat, and nothing to do with Java. IDEs are often slow because they end up do huge amounts of indexing/static analysis, and/or have lots of plugins activated.

Well, I'm a heavy IDE user. On Linux I was on KDevelop (and now Qt Creator looks nice as well), on Windows mostly MSVC. I can't imagine working productively in vim and similar environments. But I still find Java based software/IDEs to be significantly slower and bloatware.

IDEs are resource hogs, not matter which language they are written in.

Notwithstanding, I have been an happy IDE user for multiple languages since the early 90's.

Programmer editors only can do so much.

I know right? That 85M is a real drain on my 16GB of memory on my macbook, amirite? What year are we living in when people nitpick over native performance. Is vim too heavy because pathogen takes ten fractions of a second to load more than pine?

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